Why does this happen to me, this is more than once

[andyrich666]

I green up on a sprint, I back the winner, trade the field, just at the end and it gives me the loss on the winner, It drives me mad, I asked this before, I should be £20 green and end up £40 red. It ain't right ...

[andyrich666]

It is things like this that cause people to chase, because you know you have been robbed.

[Dallas]

Betfair impose a 1 second delay on everyones in-play bets, You have submitted 3 lay bets within 1 second on secret bird (assuming to try and close the trade) and have ended up over laying it
You need to allow enough time between each bet for the first order to reach the market.

[cybernet69]

Looks correct to me.

Also, trying to green-up either manually or automated in 5F, 6F or 7F races can be suicide. Prices and amounts change far too quickly.

[andyrich666]

Then the next race this happened, just now, click trade the field but has left me with £47 on the winner and £110 Plus on everything else, so Im happy I got my money back but still, the software is not doing what I ask it too, and if because of the delay then why not the software stop if it cant green, instead of givving a massive red which was way more than my stake.

The worst it should have left me was -£7 the stake, not -£35/£40 whatever it was,

[LeTiss]

Those races go in the blink of an eye!

You need to prepare a green up bet, and then keep it 'in play' - if you simply press the greening column when it all looks rosy during a race, you are setting yourself up for a heap of trouble

[andyrich666]

I try to understand it, but it should not be leaving me a larger red than my stake which if I had done nothing it would be green or red.

I will try to be more calm now.

[andyrich666]

Betfair impose a 1 second delay on everyones in-play bets, You have submitted 3 lay bets within 1 second on secret bird (assuming to try and close the trade) and have ended up over laying it
You need to allow enough time between each bet for the first order to reach the market.

I think I understand that, Thanks for your reply, so just hit it once at the green.

Ok,Then I accept it is my fault.

[Dallas]

Betfair impose a 1 second delay on everyones in-play bets, You have submitted 3 lay bets within 1 second on secret bird (assuming to try and close the trade) and have ended up over laying it
You need to allow enough time between each bet for the first order to reach the market.

I think I understand that, Thanks for your reply, so just hit it once at the green.

Ok,Then I accept it is my fault.

You can click more than once if it does nt look like its going to be matched just make sure you have allowed enough time for the previous one to reach the market (and its showing in the unmatched bets area) so when you click again this one is cancelled.
If its still in Betfairs delay then it cant be cancelled as the next is submitted so you ll end up with multiple bets hitting the market and if more than one is then matched the first will of greened you up the next would be like opening up a new trade up.

[cybernet69]

Because of the in-play delays on all sports then what you are seeing on your screen is often not a true reflection of reality.

That's why individuals/companies bet via mobile phones at sporting events because they see in real-time what is actually going on.

[andyrich666]

Betfair impose a 1 second delay on everyones in-play bets, You have submitted 3 lay bets within 1 second on secret bird (assuming to try and close the trade) and have ended up over laying it
You need to allow enough time between each bet for the first order to reach the market.

I think I understand that, Thanks for your reply, so just hit it once at the green.

Ok,Then I accept it is my fault.

You can click more than once if it does nt look like its going to be matched just make sure you have allowed enough time for the previous one to reach the market (and its showing in the unmatched bets area) so when you click again this one is cancelled.
If its still in Betfairs delay then it cant be cancelled as the next is submitted so you ll end up with multiple bets hitting the market and if more than one is then matched the first will of greened you up the next would be like opening up a new trade up.

That is what happened, the green was there then got more and more (Higher and higher) , so I hit the trade more times to get the higher price which is what I deserved and then it must have jumped out as it was such a short 5f race.

It is just frustrating so I need to understand it better and the delay effect.

[to75ne]

with all due respect you clearly have little understanding of what you are doing, stop and take the time to learn.

it seems to me you dont have a mindset/dispostion for trading "ore times to get the higher price which is what I deserved and then it mu"

you dont deserve anything, you have no entitlement to anything, its a market you have no rights over it.

[Crazyskier]

The worst it should have left me was -£7 the stake, not -£35/£40 whatever it was,

INDEED!

See my thread of last year when it kept happening to me that an attempted green up actually COST ME MORE THAN MY LIABILITY !!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11402

This is something PW denies can happen with one click - I know otherwise; as do many other s including you now.

No green /hedge button should ever increase liability - this is a flaw within what is otherwise excellent BA software. Betfair's own browser-based software will NEVER do this, no matter how often you spam it, regardless of price movement.

[cybernet69]

The worst it should have left me was -£7 the stake, not -£35/£40 whatever it was,

INDEED!

See my thread of last year when it kept happening to me that an attempted green up actually COST ME MORE THAN MY LIABILITY !!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11402

This is something PW denies can happen with one click - I know otherwise; as do many other s including you now.

No green /hedge button should ever increase liability - this is a flaw within what is otherwise excellent BA software. Betfair's own browser-based software will NEVER do this, no matter how often you spam it, regardless of price movement.

There is NO flaw in the BA software. A Green/Hedge button has no way of knowing what trades are waiting to hit the BF servers etc. It can only show/report what has already been matched.

[Crazyskier]

The worst it should have left me was -£7 the stake, not -£35/£40 whatever it was,

INDEED!

See my thread of last year when it kept happening to me that an attempted green up actually COST ME MORE THAN MY LIABILITY !!

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11402

This is something PW denies can happen with one click - I know otherwise; as do many other s including you now.

No green /hedge button should ever increase liability - this is a flaw within what is otherwise excellent BA software. Betfair's own browser-based software will NEVER do this, no matter how often you spam it, regardless of price movement.

There is NO flaw in the BA software. A Green/Hedge button has no way of knowing what trades are waiting to hit the BF servers etc. It can only show/report what has already been matched.

You're missing the point. I have tried 4 separate trading software platforms in addition to BA Pro and BF's own website.

BA is the ONLY one that has ever increased liability when greening / hedging. This is a fact friend.

Jimbit and several others have reported the same and how they often have to resort to using BF website to G/U in running as that's the only way they can be sure the liability won't increase.

Read the thread I linked above - There are even screenies of the G/U figure itself showing less than a simple manual lay would provide. PW responded saying that his algorithm was the same as other software and that a single click would never increase overall liability - this is simply untrue as evidenced by myself and many others, sorry to say.

Before calling me a liar I suggest you do the following:

Place a simple back bet of £2 on both the 1st and second favourites in 5 and 6f races, over the next few days, then try to green/hedge in the last 100 yards.

I promise you, your liability of £4 WILL be increased on the odd occasion using BA software should neither of the backed horses odds have shortened. This has never happened on other software or BF's own site. Therefore my assertion that the BA algorithm is unique in this regard, stands.