The Starmarda has set sail!

[greenmark]

It's not the Government I'm not happy with, they haven't been around long enough to earn an 'unhappy' tag, it's all the promises (lies?) made with the suggestions their way is obvious and will solve the problem. Kemi related to Angela the reasons why it's not as easy as she/they inferred (re housebuilding) and that the 'other bunch' were useless. The numbers move so fast that you don't have time for all the consultation periods etc. the Luvvies insist upon. Leaving aside whether Rwanda would have worked or not look at how many illegals arrived while the Luvvies were playing lawyer games so by the time Rwanda could have gone ahead the problem would have been thousands larger.

Labour's new Border Security Command is a case in point, let's just wait and see. I think it will be a case that they just haven't thought through their proposed 'obvious and easy' solutions to the problem ... it fits the bill of Peter's "I have a solution, vote for me" theory.

Bit naughty firlandsfarm. You should wait 14 years until you can pursuade us that the incumbents are self-seeking idiots that can't even select a competent PM from their own midst....several times!

Don't see why we should wait 14 years, are you saying I should wait 14 years before before commenting on something said in the last few days. I guess if I did you would respond with "what are you talking about, that was 14 years ago!"! But I can see why you would want me to wait 14 years before passing comment but I can see why you are so desperate to protect them!

Actually I'm not protecting. It's too early to judge. People can (and have) say that ditching the Rwanda project is folly. We'll never know is the truth. What we will be able to judge is how Labour's policy works. But NONE of the Tory pollicies on illegal migration worked......for over a decsde.
Legal migration isn't sufficient to man the roles lost to Brexit. That is squarely the fault of Tory policy over almost a decade.
I think Labour deserve a bit of latitude in all fairness and then to judge/criticise on results. That's all.

[firlandsfarm]

... But NONE of the Tory pollicies on illegal migration worked......for over a decsde.

I've said before it's an unwinnable battle against the boats ... I'm not looking to compare what Labour achieve with what the Conservatives didn't achieve, I'm simply looking to compare what Labour achieve against what they claimed they would achieve. They implied it would be easy and the Conservatives didn't know what they were doing well we will see.

It will be the same as Kimi said to Angela, it's not as easy as you say. You cannot impose a compulsory housebuilding target for who do you 'punish' when the target is not met. Likewise what do you do with illegals where no country (except Rwanda) will accept them?

[jimibt]

and they all lived happily ever after -The End!

[Archery1969]

and they all lived happily ever after -The End!

[markzily]

Interesting point! It's clear that managing such a complex issue is more challenging than it seems. The progress on Border Force recruitment and addressing the Channel crossings will definitely be worth watching. The real impact of these targets will unfold over time.

[Derek27]

Interesting point! It's clear that managing such a complex issue is more challenging than it seems. The progress on Border Force recruitment and addressing the Channel crossings will definitely be worth watching. The real impact of these targets will unfold over time.

Welcome to the forum, markzily. I just thought I'd let you know, this is primarily a trading forum.

[Archery1969]

Interesting statistic...

France deported the highest number of non-EU citizens in the 1st quarter of 2024, with 4,205 individuals returned to another country, against 34,190 ordered to leave. Just over 12%, so, while better than the UK still a very small number have actually been removed.

[firlandsfarm]

Welcome to the forum, markzily. I just thought I'd let you know, this is primarily a trading forum.

Just like Rant Corner, The beer garden, Happy Corner, Anyone growing tomatoes? and others. I expect you get my point.

I chose this sector because it is headed "Political ... arguing"!

[firlandsfarm]

Interesting statistic...

France deported the highest number of non-EU citizens in the 1st quarter of 2024, with 4,205 individuals returned to another country, against 34,190 ordered to leave. Just over 12%, so, while better than the UK still a very small number have actually been removed.

This is a big part of the problem, you order them to leave but don't have the facilities/capacity to lock them up so you let them out into the general populous expecting them to remove themselves ... really! But if you lock them up it costs lots of money and you have to accommodate them until you can send them somewhere ... hence the Rwanda scheme. It will be interesting to see what replaces it for those needing to be physically deported.

If I was an illegal in France and told to leave I would make my way to Belgium, then when ordered to leave Belgium I would make my way to Germany etc. I could tour all 27 countries staying in each for as long as possible!

[Derek27]

Welcome to the forum, markzily. I just thought I'd let you know, this is primarily a trading forum.

Just like Rant Corner, The beer garden, Happy Corner, Anyone growing tomatoes? and others. I expect you get my point.

I chose this sector because it is headed "Political ... arguing"!

I think the moderators were taking the piss when changing the name of the thread, like the wife to cooks her husband a meal and takes it into the pub he never leaves - I've known that to happen.

[Archery1969]

Interesting statistic...

France deported the highest number of non-EU citizens in the 1st quarter of 2024, with 4,205 individuals returned to another country, against 34,190 ordered to leave. Just over 12%, so, while better than the UK still a very small number have actually been removed.

This is a big part of the problem, you order them to leave but don't have the facilities/capacity to lock them up so you let them out into the general populous expecting them to remove themselves ... really! But if you lock them up it costs lots of money and you have to accommodate them until you can send them somewhere ... hence the Rwanda scheme. It will be interesting to see what replaces it for those needing to be physically deported.

If I was an illegal in France and told to leave I would make my way to Belgium, then when ordered to leave Belgium I would make my way to Germany etc. I could tour all 27 countries staying in each for as long as possible!

Also, France doesn't house migrants in expensive hotels, they can have basic accomadation, food, water and help with the asylum process via processing centres around the country. But these are all outside of Paris itself so tourists dont notice. Also France is roughly 2.5 times bigger than the UK with roughly the same population, so most dont notice the number of migrants compared to the UK.

Poland is one country in the EU that often turns a blind eye to the EU/UN charters and rules when it comes to looking after migrants. If you dont have permission to enter beforehand then you are quickly removed with no help and encouraged to go anywhere else but Poland. It seems the EU turns a blind eye to Poland not doing as their told or following international laws.

[firlandsfarm]

Welcome to the forum, markzily. I just thought I'd let you know, this is primarily a trading forum.

Just like Rant Corner, The beer garden, Happy Corner, Anyone growing tomatoes? and others. I expect you get my point.

I chose this sector because it is headed "Political ... arguing"!

I think the moderators were taking the piss when changing the name of the thread, like the wife to cooks her husband a meal and takes it into the pub he never leaves - I've known that to happen.

that will never happen to me, I do the cooking!

[greenmark]

Interesting statistic...

France deported the highest number of non-EU citizens in the 1st quarter of 2024, with 4,205 individuals returned to another country, against 34,190 ordered to leave. Just over 12%, so, while better than the UK still a very small number have actually been removed.

This is a big part of the problem, you order them to leave but don't have the facilities/capacity to lock them up so you let them out into the general populous expecting them to remove themselves ... really! But if you lock them up it costs lots of money and you have to accommodate them until you can send them somewhere ... hence the Rwanda scheme. It will be interesting to see what replaces it for those needing to be physically deported.

If I was an illegal in France and told to leave I would make my way to Belgium, then when ordered to leave Belgium I would make my way to Germany etc. I could tour all 27 countries staying in each for as long as possible!

Also, France doesn't house migrants in expensive hotels, they can have basic accomadation, food, water and help with the asylum process via processing centres around the country. But these are all outside of Paris itself so tourists dont notice. Also France is roughly 2.5 times bigger than the UK with roughly the same population, so most dont notice the number of migrants compared to the UK.

Poland is one country in the EU that often turns a blind eye to the EU/UN charters and rules when it comes to looking after migrants. If you dont have permission to enter beforehand then you are quickly removed with no help and encouraged to go anywhere else but Poland. It seems the EU turns a blind eye to Poland not doing as their told or following international laws.

From what I know illegal immigrants in France are tolerated "Sans papiers". They have no rights or access to legal employment.
Belgium is similar. No real attempt to integrate people that have the guts to travel (often lethally) to find a better future.
The streets of Brussels (according to someone I know that has lived there for over 2 decades now), have had a permanent immigrant beggar populaton for that entire time. Not rocket science that hose countries have created their own adaptions to the influx.
The UK goes nuts over 1000's that are prepared to die crossing the channel.
For me, we try to pull up the drawbridge to our castle and are getting a bit miffed that some are smarter than us.
In 2022 there were 98000 illegal migrants from Syria into the EU. Net highest was Afghanistan at 36000.
Could anyone deny asylum to people fleeing those countries?

[Realrocknrolla]

My brother in Christ do we really need more of these topics? The state of forum right now

WELL SAID!!!

[jimibt]

My brother in Christ do we really need more of these topics? The state of forum right now

WELL SAID!!!

yup, as i said the other day, it's literally a load of petrified sh!te. losing my respect for those that get involved antagonistically in these:

time after time, after time, after time, after time, after time........