mmmm, yes fancy that Liverpool selling a foreign high salary player that clearly doesnt want to and has shown it all season...play for the club, who has been lazy and indifferent when starting and injury prone recently...huge fee....does seem odd (NOT !!!!).
buying a young English talent burning with desire to prove himself at the top level to replace sulky spaniard, seems odd (NOT !!!!)
as for hernandez and man utd, great player but like most foreigners a mercenary, no loyalty long term as fergie will know, and Rooneys finished too much money, too many pros, cigs and pints...
only surprise is newcastle letting carroll go without getting a replacement, but then Mike Ashley is proving to be a right premier league idiot....
p.s im not a pool or toon fan...think fergies a genius manager...
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CaerMyrddin
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Chelsea also took Benfica's starlet David Luiz by a whooping €25M + a player. 
I'm not sure who you're disagreeing with - I agree!mister man wrote:mmmm, yes fancy that Liverpool selling a foreign high salary player that clearly doesnt want to and has shown it all season...play for the club, who has been lazy and indifferent when starting and injury prone recently...huge fee....does seem odd (NOT !!!!).
Except for the bit about him being foreign. I don't see how that's relevant...
If they'd spent £10 million on him, I'd think it was possibly a good punt (despite the Joey Bartonesque anger management issues).mister man wrote:buying a young English talent burning with desire to prove himself at the top level to replace sulky spaniard, seems odd (NOT !!!!)
But even Chelsea and City only spend over £30 million on proven, world-class players!
Whereas we all know that Carroll's a Red through and through, born and bred, and the money doesn't come into it...mister man wrote:as for hernandez and man utd, great player but like most foreigners a mercenary.
With a few noticeable exceptions like Gerrard, most players in our Premier league (foreign and domestic) don't play for the club that they grew up supporting.
Jeff
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mister man
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well lets see now just who and how the mercenaries are...and what what continues to happen to British football, as a result...the national sides are a good barometerWhereas we all know that Carroll's a Red through and through, born and bred, and the money doesn't come into it...
With a few noticeable exceptions like Gerrard, most players in our Premier league (foreign and domestic) don't play for the club that they grew up supporting.
Jeff
im guessing that on retirement, andy carroll like many x high profile players will live in Britain and continue to follow the results of the clubs hes played for, maybe even continuing to serve them and british football in some capacity, (coaching, youth academy, management, shareholder or just plain old supporter or even if its only punditry)
I Suspect mr Torres will decamp to Spain, like most foreign players (go back home) and give the benefit of all his cash and expertise and support into his home country...
There are many reasons why England underperform...mister man wrote: well lets see now just who and how the mercenaries are...and what what continues to happen to British football, as a result...the national sides are a good barometer.
Also, it can only help England's players to play and train against and alongside the world's best players, and to be exposed to a variety of styles of play.
If our lads fail to play to their potential when they wear an England shirt, you can't blame that on foreign players...
I'm not sure I see the significance of this, or how it makes him less of a mercenary than a foreign player...mister man wrote:im guessing that on retirement, andy carroll like many x high profile players will live in Britain and continue to follow the results of the clubs hes played for,
You mean like Ole Gunnar Solesjkaer is doing at Man U?mister man wrote:maybe even continuing to serve them and british football in some capacity,
Yes, I'm sure Carroll will be seen on the terraces of St James's when he retires. Again, not sure what that has to do with him being a mercenary or not...mister man wrote:(coaching, youth academy, management, shareholder or just plain old supporter or even if its only punditry)
Who knows? I wouldn't blame him if he did...mister man wrote:I Suspect mr Torres will decamp to Spain, like most foreign players (go back home) and give the benefit of all his cash and expertise and support into his home country...
But he's only a mercenary in the same sense as an English player is when he transfers to a club he's never supported...
Jeff
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Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! all this talk of mercenaries one thinks we should be over running a diamond rich country. 
So many opinions and so many traders surely the acid test is not what you think somthing is worth but what people will pay for it and how badly they want it.
Carroll may not be the most sublime talent on the pitch and he may have only scored a handful of goals in the Premiership but as for mercenary? I gather that he was upset at being shown the door reluctantly by Newcastle who wanted the cash.
Whilst he may have temprement issues which can lead one to question the wisdom of bringing him didn't Jermaine Pennant have similar problems (though not with violence) and he managed to settle at L.Pool. (Oh there was Craig Bellamy but he can start a fight in an empty house! bonkers!)
Whilest I'm sad to see Torres go there was no point in him turning into a petulant jessie like Anelka and keeping him. The question of his fitness was also an issue and it will be interesting to see how Drogba will cope being in his shadow
flailing on the ground probably.
There is one things that Fernando needs to consider though and that's in relation to the Tengwar script he so admires on his arm, as no doubt he has read in the books or watched the films
"All that is gold does not glitter"
or
"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens"
What ever happens it's made for an interesting second part of the season and no doubt there will be more debate to had. Stay lucky folks
So many opinions and so many traders surely the acid test is not what you think somthing is worth but what people will pay for it and how badly they want it.
Carroll may not be the most sublime talent on the pitch and he may have only scored a handful of goals in the Premiership but as for mercenary? I gather that he was upset at being shown the door reluctantly by Newcastle who wanted the cash.
Whilst he may have temprement issues which can lead one to question the wisdom of bringing him didn't Jermaine Pennant have similar problems (though not with violence) and he managed to settle at L.Pool. (Oh there was Craig Bellamy but he can start a fight in an empty house! bonkers!)
Whilest I'm sad to see Torres go there was no point in him turning into a petulant jessie like Anelka and keeping him. The question of his fitness was also an issue and it will be interesting to see how Drogba will cope being in his shadow
flailing on the ground probably.There is one things that Fernando needs to consider though and that's in relation to the Tengwar script he so admires on his arm, as no doubt he has read in the books or watched the films
"All that is gold does not glitter"
or
"Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens"
What ever happens it's made for an interesting second part of the season and no doubt there will be more debate to had. Stay lucky folks
True, but unless Carroll hits the ground running (and makes sure the ground is the only thing he hits!), and plays like a young Michael Owen, then I think Dalglish will soon have a severe case of buyer's remorse!lilgreenback wrote:Surely the acid test is not what you think somthing is worth but what people will pay for it and how badly they want it.
It will be interesting to see how he gets on at Liverpool. At Newcastle, he was the main man, and the fans loved him. But at Liverpool, he risks being overshadowed by Suarez, and he needs to show the fans that he was worth all the money Liverpool spent on him. That's a lot of pressure on such young shoulders...lilgreenback wrote:Carroll may not be the most sublime talent on the pitch and he may have only scored a handful of goals in the Premiership but as for mercenary? I gather that he was upset at being shown the door reluctantly by Newcastle who wanted the cash.
As a Man U fan, I hope he plays as well for Liverpool as he did for Preston, where he scored 1 goals in 12 games!
Speaking of Anelka, it will be interesting to see how he (or Drogba) react if either he loses his place to Torres!lilgreenback wrote:Whilest I'm sad to see Torres go there was no point in him turning into a petulant jessie like Anelka and keeping him.
Jeff
Gutted at Torres leaving but then again he hasn't done the business for the last 8 months. I wonder if the WC sowed the seeds for him leaving - he got a WC winners medal but didn't exactly set the place alight and all the talk and rave reviews were about his team mates. I think he's after recognition after not getting it in at the WC, might explain his quote today "I just want to be at the level I'm supposed to stay at"
Think he might regret going to Chelsea though. Laugh my socks off if they don't qualify for CL next season.
Interesting article here:
http://betoftheweek.net/2011/02/85-million-questions/
Think he might regret going to Chelsea though. Laugh my socks off if they don't qualify for CL next season.
Interesting article here:
http://betoftheweek.net/2011/02/85-million-questions/
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SilentDave
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Although I think Carroll is overpriced, if I was a Liverpool fan I'd rather have Carroll+Suarez than just Torres.
I know footballers get paid ludicrous amounts of money, but are still human beings at the end of the day
We all buy into our managers. I've many known people leave their jobs due to their dislike of the boss. I've also known people become unsettled when a well loved boss leaves.
Rafa Benitez clearly got the best out of Torres, perhaps being a fellow Spaniard they had an understanding off the pitch too.
I'm confident that Torres would still be a Liverpool player if Rafa had not been sacked, and I'm ultra confident that Carroll would still be a Newcastle player if Chris Hughton hadn't been sacked
We all buy into our managers. I've many known people leave their jobs due to their dislike of the boss. I've also known people become unsettled when a well loved boss leaves.
Rafa Benitez clearly got the best out of Torres, perhaps being a fellow Spaniard they had an understanding off the pitch too.
I'm confident that Torres would still be a Liverpool player if Rafa had not been sacked, and I'm ultra confident that Carroll would still be a Newcastle player if Chris Hughton hadn't been sacked
You may well be right about Torres, but I'm not sure when it comes to Carroll.
I get the impression that Carroll didn't want to leave Newcastle, and the transfer was about the money. Even if Hughton were still manager and had said 'I'd prefer to keep Carroll than take the £35 million', the board would have over-ruled him IMHO.
Jeff
I get the impression that Carroll didn't want to leave Newcastle, and the transfer was about the money. Even if Hughton were still manager and had said 'I'd prefer to keep Carroll than take the £35 million', the board would have over-ruled him IMHO.
Jeff
LeTiss 4pm wrote: I'm confident that Torres would still be a Liverpool player if Rafa had not been sacked, and I'm ultra confident that Carroll would still be a Newcastle player if Chris Hughton hadn't been sacked
The Carroll signing reminds me so much of when Don Revie signed Mick Jones from Sheffield United. There was a lot of argument about whether he was an improvement to the team, but Don reckoned Leeds had enough talented players and needed somebody to put his weight about, which Mick did to great effect.He was never a great goalscorer although he got his share, but what he did was unsettle defenders and he did add another dimension to the Leeds team.
In that sense it seems a bit of a "throwback signing", in the days when everybody seems to want to sign flashy players, who vanish when, to use a poker phrase, the chips are down and you need some "bottle".
If he has the same effect on Liverpool as Mick did on Leeds, Dalglish'll be happy enough,
cheers, P
In that sense it seems a bit of a "throwback signing", in the days when everybody seems to want to sign flashy players, who vanish when, to use a poker phrase, the chips are down and you need some "bottle".
If he has the same effect on Liverpool as Mick did on Leeds, Dalglish'll be happy enough,
cheers, P
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oddstrader
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I always remember the quote Bobby Robson made "How do you motivate 11 multi millionaires on a cold/wet winters morning"