I tried to get a screen grab of when someone put up over £10,000 on the backside to try and push the price back down but I wasn't quite quick enough. I do think it says a lot about the make up of the market with these kind of horses and when horses play up.
If you had two identical incidences of a horse playing up, one in the afternoon and one in the evening the market behaves and reacts totally differently.
I think it is quite interesting the impact us traders have on the market when such things as a Curley horse is about. How many traders were looking for an indication and then as soon as people think they see something everyone flies in.
A manipulators dream imo.
What do others think?
Curley alert
Your bang on on this and this creates an opportunity.If you had two identical incidences of a horse playing up, one in the afternoon and one in the evening the market behaves and reacts totally differently.
I think it is quite interesting the impact us traders have on the market when such things as a Curley horse is about. How many traders were looking for an indication and then as soon as people think they see something everyone flies in.
Picked up a book last year, written by an Aussie Paddock watcher and there is some good stuff in it. Especially the part about certain pre-race behaviour measured against price (likely winning %) and final race posisition. Likely to prove best for the flat but worth a read - Watching Racehorses by Geoffrey Hutson. Obviously, being off course you can't see everything but it will give you an idea of what behaviour is the most detrimental.
As for the market in general
Anyone remember the 'Yellow Sam' story?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sam_betting_coup
That should tell you something about Barney
Ben
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sam_betting_coup
That should tell you something about Barney
Ben
According to Curley Leisure's stats on the Racing Post website, Mr Curley has won plenty of prize money over the past 5 years, but you would have lost money from backing his horses. Perhaps this is because punters assume that a Curley steamer is as good as home and dry, and force the price down far lower than it should be.
Jeff
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
It's true the steamers get overbacked & don't always win but the RP stats are based on backing all Curley runners at SP & the man himself is for sure getting much better odds.
The RP/bookies odds compilers open up the horse much shorter than the form suggests,then the general trend during the day will be for layers/traders to push the odds out until either the significant 'back' money comes in,starting the steam or it doesn't,continuing the drift.Either way it's great for traders as long as you are ready for both scenarios.
Ben
It's true the steamers get overbacked & don't always win but the RP stats are based on backing all Curley runners at SP & the man himself is for sure getting much better odds.
The RP/bookies odds compilers open up the horse much shorter than the form suggests,then the general trend during the day will be for layers/traders to push the odds out until either the significant 'back' money comes in,starting the steam or it doesn't,continuing the drift.Either way it's great for traders as long as you are ready for both scenarios.
Ben
Hi Ben
That's interesting, thanks.
Are there any other trainers who have a similar reputation to Mr Curley?
If Mr Curley wanted to lay one of his own horses, are there any British Horseracing Board rules that would prevent him from doing so?
Jeff
That's interesting, thanks.
Are there any other trainers who have a similar reputation to Mr Curley?
If Mr Curley wanted to lay one of his own horses, are there any British Horseracing Board rules that would prevent him from doing so?
Jeff
BBB123 wrote:Hi Jeff,
It's true the steamers get overbacked & don't always win but the RP stats are based on backing all Curley runners at SP & the man himself is for sure getting much better odds.
The RP/bookies odds compilers open up the horse much shorter than the form suggests,then the general trend during the day will be for layers/traders to push the odds out until either the significant 'back' money comes in,starting the steam or it doesn't,continuing the drift.Either way it's great for traders as long as you are ready for both scenarios.
Ben
Curley stands out at the moment but there are some trainers who like to set one up for a gamble,Alan Swinbank & Tony Carroll spring to mind.
BHB rules are that Trainers & Owners are not allowed to lay their own horses but they can back them.Jockeys are not allowed to bet at all.
Ben
BHB rules are that Trainers & Owners are not allowed to lay their own horses but they can back them.Jockeys are not allowed to bet at all.
Ben
Ferru123 wrote:Are there any other trainers who have a similar reputation to Mr Curley?
If Mr Curley wanted to lay one of his own horses, are there any British Horseracing Board rules that would prevent him from doing so?
Are trainers allowed to back other trainers' horses in a race they are competing in? If so, to get around the rule you refer to, they could dutch the rest of the field as an alternative to laying their own horse!
Jeff
[quote="BBB123"]
BHB rules are that Trainers & Owners are not allowed to lay their own horses but they can back them.Jockeys are not allowed to bet at all.
Ben
Jeff
[quote="BBB123"]
BHB rules are that Trainers & Owners are not allowed to lay their own horses but they can back them.Jockeys are not allowed to bet at all.
Ben
Ex Curley horse Jeu De Roseau backed from 25's to as low as 2.32 wins!
After three Curley horses today already, I read this peice on the RP and followed the money. What a day! Amazing that a horse rated with a 5% chance of winning can get re-rated to a 45% chance.
After three Curley horses today already, I read this peice on the RP and followed the money. What a day! Amazing that a horse rated with a 5% chance of winning can get re-rated to a 45% chance.
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