US Presidential Election 2020

[jimibt]

I feel like when this thread eventually dies we should have some sort of ceremony

IMMORTAL (seems like we're into an ALL CAPS phase now)

Trump's keyboard is broken as well.
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TAX - BILL (hey, that looks good in ALL CAPS, plus a bit of colour)

[Kai]

I feel like when this thread eventually dies we should have some sort of ceremony

IMMORTAL (seems like we're into an ALL CAPS phase now)

Trump's keyboard is broken as well.
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His keyboard is arguably the only thing that actually works over there, Trump is the ultimate keyboard warrior.

[firlandsfarm]

In an article on MSN.com they state "Ms Harris [Vice-President Elect], whose mother was Indian but is American herself"!! Just how arrogant can these Americans be ... look into your history guys, the Indian population has more claim to being American than you!!

[jimibt]

I obviuolsy don't *get* the whole conspiracy to wire fraud thang that trumpet trousers is baking.

question for all the knowledgable armchair FBI out there. Why would voters HOLD back on posting votes in the hope that they would get backdated etc.?? why would they not just send it on or before voting day??. this little detail has been bugging my brain since this whole fraud debate emerged. just doesn't make any sense - the whole fraud insinuation if you rationally think about it tbh.

as i said, maybe i'm just missing the point.

The problem with this whole thing is that they accept postal votes after polling day. If they did as us, votes must be received by polling day, no argument. We have a choice, vote early by post (as I do) or vote on election day ... simple.

what i understand of the system in the US is that you can actually post ON the day and it will be accepted, so long as the postmark identifies that it was posted on or before polling day. so, in the case of these disputed late votes, would that mean that the voters deliberately waitied until after midnight (on poling day) to send their votes in to be counted for the 04:30 session?? and again, if you wanted a new fresh democratic goverment, WHY would you risk your vote arriving late. is it some sort of thrill seeking going on maybe??

[Kai]

YOU GUYS ARE TAKING THIS FOR A JOKE, THIS THING IS SERIOUS

Serious enough for all caps? Damn, that's DEFCON 1 level of serious.

Life is one big joke, let alone politics. Not much else to do but laugh at most of it

I have a suspicion here!! I reckon some folks (not naming or shaming) have held onto large positions (pro trump) and rather than admit that they miscalculated, they are venting on here in some sort of weird hope that their thoughts will translate to a result overthrow, therby re-invogorating their betfair balance...

jeez, listen to me. i was laughing at conspiracy theories - lol

Open-and-shut case Jim

[ChrisF]

I think trump still has a shot this is worth reading https://macris.substack.com/p/how-might ... -litigated

[Emmson]

In an article on MSN.com they state "Ms Harris [Vice-President Elect], whose mother was Indian but is American herself"!! Just how arrogant can these Americans be ... look into your history guys, the Indian population has more claim to being American than you!!

It's not native American Indian as far as I know.

[jimibt]

Serious enough for all caps? Damn, that's DEFCON 1 level of serious.

Life is one big joke, let alone politics. Not much else to do but laugh at most of it

I have a suspicion here!! I reckon some folks (not naming or shaming) have held onto large positions (pro trump) and rather than admit that they miscalculated, they are venting on here in some sort of weird hope that their thoughts will translate to a result overthrow, therby re-invogorating their betfair balance...

jeez, listen to me. i was laughing at conspiracy theories - lol

Open-and-shut case Jim

a bit like the mysterious votes -nothing in it!!

[Kai]

We're somehow always on the same page Jim, no matter the thread

As long as Trump doesn't execute order 66, don't really care what happens at this point.

Also, hope nobody lost their house on this market.

[firlandsfarm]

In an article on MSN.com they state "Ms Harris [Vice-President Elect], whose mother was Indian but is American herself"!! Just how arrogant can these Americans be ... look into your history guys, the Indian population has more claim to being American than you!!

It's not native American Indian as far as I know.

OK, if not then fair enough ... just checked, you are quite right Apologies to all Americans!

[Derek27]

We're somehow always on the same page Jim, no matter the thread

As long as Trump doesn't execute order 66, don't really care what happens at this point.

Also, hope nobody lost their house on this market.

Can he really do that?

[firlandsfarm]

I obviuolsy don't *get* the whole conspiracy to wire fraud thang that trumpet trousers is baking.

question for all the knowledgable armchair FBI out there. Why would voters HOLD back on posting votes in the hope that they would get backdated etc.?? why would they not just send it on or before voting day??. this little detail has been bugging my brain since this whole fraud debate emerged. just doesn't make any sense - the whole fraud insinuation if you rationally think about it tbh.

as i said, maybe i'm just missing the point.

The problem with this whole thing is that they accept postal votes after polling day. If they did as us, votes must be received by polling day, no argument. We have a choice, vote early by post (as I do) or vote on election day ... simple.

what i understand of the system in the US is that you can actually post ON the day and it will be accepted, so long as the postmark identifies that it was posted on or before polling day. so, in the case of these disputed late votes, would that mean that the voters deliberately waitied until after midnight (on poling day) to send their votes in to be counted for the 04:30 session?? and again, if you wanted a new fresh democratic goverment, WHY would you risk your vote arriving late. is it some sort of thrill seeking going on maybe??

I agree you have a point jimibt and as far as I'm aware you describe the system correctly but to allow that is fraught with problems ... current situation for one! And assuming the ballot paper is in an envelope what if it gets detached from the ballot paper, how can they audit the post mark? I just feel that to allow people to vote by post is a privilege and they should insist all postal ballots arrive on or before polling day.

[Kai]

We're somehow always on the same page Jim, no matter the thread

As long as Trump doesn't execute order 66, don't really care what happens at this point.

Also, hope nobody lost their house on this market.

Can he really do that?

Mark all Jedi as traitors of the Republic and execute them? Probably not I think.

[Derek27]

In an article on MSN.com they state "Ms Harris [Vice-President Elect], whose mother was Indian but is American herself"!! Just how arrogant can these Americans be ... look into your history guys, the Indian population has more claim to being American than you!!

They should say Indian origin, American citizen/nationality. It doesn't make sense to say she's Indian but American.

[Derek27]

I think trump still has a shot this is worth reading https://macris.substack.com/p/how-might ... -litigated

That doesn't appear to me to give him much of a chance.

Purposeful deprivation of the right to vote will not be assumed merely because there is evidence that election officials acted incompetently or negligently.

The fraud or other unlawful behavior must be committed by persons acting under color of state law, or by private persons acting jointly with state officials.

the party seeking a new election must establish that the fraud or other unlawful behavior changed the outcome of the election. In the absence of proof of a causal relationship between the unlawful conduct and the result of the election, injunctive relief must be denied.

Summary

The Federal Courts do have jurisdiction to resolve claims of state and city ballot fraud that causes ballot dilution, even in Presidential elections.

The Federal Courts can order a new election if necessary to address fraud, even in Presidential elections

The Trump campaign will need to prove (a) specific acts of misconduct (b) involving willful or knowing ballot fraud (c) by state officials or private persons acting with state officials (d) that changed the outcome of the election.

The Trump campaign can use expert testimony and statistical evidence to prove its case, but it needs some direct evidence too. (Remember that in a court of law, eyewitness testimony is considered direct evidence.)