US Presidential Election 2020

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Naffman
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Derek27 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:57 pm
Naffman wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:34 pm
People want somebody who says what they think,
I doubt his advisors do - it's what he thinks that's the problem.
Didn't hurt him first time around
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jamesg46 wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:37 pm
gazuty wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:20 pm
Naffman wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:07 pm
Biden gamble well overdone
Trump “lost” the first debate against Hilary. But just looking at that - there were quite a few similarities.

It’s so hard to watch Trump, he speaks in rambling disjointed thought bubble to thought bubble style, combined with bombast and tangents. It’s interesting how it is able to cut through not only with his base but with others. I think that is because he is willing to just go for it - say his thought without much of a filter and see where it goes. It’s clearly authentic.
I get the impression that Trumps raw personality is what attracts his base, he's not scripted reading off of the same old sheet. I think they find some hope in that. Biden already all over social media because of his mic, I very much doubt that Trump hasn't got people in his ear too but he clearly doesn't listen to them.
Thats not a mic its a rosary in memory of his son that he has on him at all times.
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Trader Pat wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:03 pm
What a shit show! Late night tv at its finest!

I was surprised and disappointed that Trump's price drifted I was hoping it would come in! I didn't think the debate would have much effect on the market. The next debate in 2 weeks will be very very interesting, its a town hall format so Biden and Trump will have to answer questions from a group of 'undecided' voters, I think that benefits Biden more. Trump didn't do to well at his last town hall when he was effectively told to shut up by an audience member until she finished asking her question. If last nights debate caused his price to drift then I can only imagine it will drift again after the next debate.

It's left me with a decision to make in the market!
I didn't watch it or anything but reading around apparently the moderator guy Max Wallace is from Fox, who I believe is essentially on trumps side. I read somewhere that had a little to do with not being able to get trump to stop cutting in...I think they change moderators for every debate?

It's all a bit depressing if you ask me :)
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Looks like they will change the rules for the second debate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54366618
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Euler wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:08 am
Looks like they will change the rules for the second debate - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54366618
Ha, that's funny.

Cutting the mike won't work, Trump will just keep talking, shouting over at Biden and at the moderator and probably the participants at the Town Hall.

What I thought about was sound proof chambers, like from an 80s quiz show, each locked within, unable to speak to the other when "turned off". So you get your two minutes of clear air. Might even make for good tv, imagine watching Trump ranting and raving and jesticulating in his glass box.
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gazuty wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:02 am
What I thought about was sound proof chambers, like from an 80s quiz show, each locked within, unable to speak to the other when "turned off". So you get your two minutes of clear air. Might even make for good tv, imagine watching Trump ranting and raving and jesticulating in his glass box.
LOL and no 'hanging chads' with the Clapometer either.
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People moan about what they surely knew would happen, it was widely anticipated.

Change the rules brigade just want to hear something that fits comfortably into their fluffy delusional perception of what it should be.

The internet has been flooded with "Trump will destroy Biden in the debates" & nothing was done to be proactive in changing that.... because that's what they wanted to see, they wanted the drama, they wanted to anticipate that Trump would choke or Biden would get destroyed, both the people and the media.
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Biden's refusal to stand firm on any topic will be his downfall, he backs law and order but he doesn't condemn antifa - nobody knows where he stands and that's on most topics.

People will realise after the election what a poor choice Biden/Harris was.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/swing- ... ge65up=473

A great little tool to play around with, change the "Black" & "Latino" % by just marginal gains and it becomes pretty interesting. Politico ran a poll on the debate in the Latino community and 68% said that Trump won, that obviously doesn't mean 68% will vote Trump but with that and the walkaway movement he will probably see marginal gains.
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Naffman wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:08 am
Biden's refusal to stand firm on any topic will be his downfall, he backs law and order but he doesn't condemn antifa - nobody knows where he stands and that's on most topics.

People will realise after the election what a poor choice Biden/Harris was.
Trump is probably an easy opponent to defeat if you put up a candidate with the right mindset who will just let him self-destruct. The Democrats have either wasted an opportunity or had a dreadful selection box.
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johnsheppard wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 7:20 am
Trader Pat wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:03 pm
What a shit show! Late night tv at its finest!

I was surprised and disappointed that Trump's price drifted I was hoping it would come in! I didn't think the debate would have much effect on the market. The next debate in 2 weeks will be very very interesting, its a town hall format so Biden and Trump will have to answer questions from a group of 'undecided' voters, I think that benefits Biden more. Trump didn't do to well at his last town hall when he was effectively told to shut up by an audience member until she finished asking her question. If last nights debate caused his price to drift then I can only imagine it will drift again after the next debate.

It's left me with a decision to make in the market!
I didn't watch it or anything but reading around apparently the moderator guy Max Wallace is from Fox, who I believe is essentially on trumps side. I read somewhere that had a little to do with not being able to get trump to stop cutting in...I think they change moderators for every debate?

It's all a bit depressing if you ask me :)
Wallace is from Fox but he's one of the more unbiased Fox reporters in fairness. He did an interview with Trump a couple of months ago and gave him a decent grilling, especially about his 'cognitive abilities' when Trump was talking about a test he's taken to prove he's a genius. Wallace pointed out that he also took the test and it wasn't very difficult, the first question showed a picture of 3 animals and the question 'which of these is a giraffe?' or something like that! You can find the interview on youtube, its pretty funny in parts!
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:29 pm
Naffman wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:08 am
Biden's refusal to stand firm on any topic will be his downfall, he backs law and order but he doesn't condemn antifa - nobody knows where he stands and that's on most topics.

People will realise after the election what a poor choice Biden/Harris was.
Trump is probably an easy opponent to defeat if you put up a candidate with the right mindset who will just let him self-destruct. The Democrats have either wasted an opportunity or had a dreadful selection box.
Hillary Clinton would have beaten him but for her arrogance, and the fact she was never that popular to begin with. The democratic party hasn't put forward a decent candidate in quite a while, and the party doesn't even know what it is anymore. You've got people who are intent on bringing it further to the left, Biden is a dying breed, a centrist democrat. Whatever the result of this election I think the future looks very rosy for the Republican party, they can just sit back and watch the Democrats tear each other apart.

As for the plan to change the rules of the debates its pretty pointless. I agree with Gazuty, Trump will just waffle on anyway, rules or no rules. When has he ever stuck to the rules? :lol:
It will also play into Trump's hands, he can say again that its further proof that everyone is against him! I remember in the Democratic debates where candidates had 2 minutes to answer and Biden would stop talking as soon as the 2 minutes were up, even if he was mid sentence and then he'd apologise! Just finish the damn point Joe!
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I would love to see Trump talking and not being heard. :lol:

Personally I don't see any issue having the US run by a dementia sufferer who doesn't have any views, plans or is about to drop dead, considering the alternative. :)
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Derek27 wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:19 pm
I would love to see Trump talking and not being heard. :lol:
That would be funny! Banging on the sides of a glass box like a tramp locked in a phonebox! :D
Derek27 wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:19 pm
Personally I don't see any issue having the US run by a dementia sufferer who doesn't have any views, plans or is about to drop dead, considering the alternative. :)
Funny thing is though with all the talk on the right about Biden's cognitive ability they forget they already had a president just like that in Ronald Reagan. Towards the end of his presidency Nancy had to feed him lines when he gave speeches as he used to forget them! He still managed to avert nuclear armageddon with the Soviets though, not bad for someone who napped every afternoon for a few hours!
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Trader Pat wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:50 pm
He still managed to avert nuclear armageddon with the Soviets though, not bad for someone who napped every afternoon for a few hours!
He was a great speaker. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moph0KwhlL4
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