Why does this happen to me, this is more than once

[Dallas]

The problem is still the same as before and is casued by you submitting several greenup orders in quick succession - including 3 within 1 second!

26/01/2017 20:34:27: Greened up Burnside by Laying 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:28: Greened up Burnside by Laying 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The order cannot be processed as the market is suspended.
26/01/2017 20:34:50: Market has been suspended
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The bet has already been taken or lapsed.
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The order cannot be processed as the market is suspended.
26/01/2017 20:34:54: An error occurred while Greenin

As these all begin to get matched you will turn a good green into a bad red.

All you need to do to avoid this is what was advised last time which is to allow enough time for the previous bets to arrive in the market before submitting the next.

[SeaHorseRacing]

I dont know if it will be any help Andy but if you try to take responbility for anything that happens it may save your computer being smashed in the future.

I dont mean this in way to get at you , simply to help you.
If you tell yourself you will take responsibility for any software malfunction or power outage etc it will help you long term.

I have told myself that any software fault, betfair crash is my responsibility and its part of the risk of trading. This way you will be more prepared and find it easier to move through these bad spells.

[andyrich666]

Because of the in-play delays on all sports then what you are seeing on your screen is often not a true reflection of reality.

It is a true reflection of reality, but reality as it was. (obv I'm just being sarky)

What delay have you got on your TV pictures Andy?

If you're watching ATR, mine is 13s behind tonight (see below), add to that the 1s Betfair delay and you're over a furlong behind what's happening. As LeTiss said...you are setting yourself up for a heap of trouble with IP sprints. He's been on here for 7yrs and knows his stuff, so I'd heed that advice. BA is great and doing it's best, but it can't break the rules of space & time for you.

But as the guy who was removed from the forum, who had the same problem stated this problem can be fixed, if you can not do it on betfair site then the the 3rd party s/w should not allow it also. the same happen if you have fixed lays in pace then press the trade out, they both go at the same time, one day you could have a massive green but more likely a massive red.

If there is a delay then why not the software delay also, so it is equal. It is so wrong I am robbed and


As for the 3 with in a second, if you do one the same happedns I will video for you,hit it once and you still go into a decline the only way to stop it is, the software should stop it then

sometimes I press it once and it does nothing, its my fault all 5 times and the other guy,easy answer

[andyrich666]

The problem is still the same as before and is casued by you submitting several greenup orders in quick succession - including 3 within 1 second!

26/01/2017 20:34:27: Greened up Burnside by Laying 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:28: Greened up Burnside by Laying 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:49: Greened up Burnside by Backing 83.33 at 1.5
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The order cannot be processed as the market is suspended.
26/01/2017 20:34:50: Market has been suspended
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The bet has already been taken or lapsed.
26/01/2017 20:34:50: An error occurred while Greening Up: The order cannot be processed as the market is suspended.
26/01/2017 20:34:54: An error occurred while Greenin

As these all begin to get matched you will turn a good green into a bad red.

All you need to do to avoid this is what was advised last time which is to allow enough time for the previous bets to arrive in the market before submitting the next.

Ill show you one day when I allow time it will do the same, the price will come crashing in, why can't you just have a box where you can put in a figure say £100 and when the green hits that it does it automatic ??

That would save this.

[Dallas]

But as the guy who was removed from the forum, who had the same problem stated this problem can be fixed,

Who has been removed from the forum? the way to fix it is as several users have stated on this thread already and thats well documented throughout the forum - allow sufficent time between clicks when betting in play

Ill show you one day when I allow time it will do the same, the price will come crashing in, why can't you just have a box where you can put in a figure say £100 and when the green hits that it does it automatic ??

That would save this.

You can do this using a simple profit/loss automation rule, or by clicking on a hedge figure on the ladder screen at the amount you want to green up for - this will be in the market ready to be matched if the price reaches it

[ShaunWhite]

and now I lose £1500 in one day and not ony that this is the 5th time this happen

You think you have a software issue, so you still choose to use £100 stakes! If you don't trust the brakes on your car, do you still do 100mph?

I don't work for BA but I can guarentee there is NO software fault here, 100s of users, millions of markets traded, billions of pounds transacted.... we'd know about it. I don't want to be harsh on your already bad day, but this looks like an error in understanding the process and infrastucture.

If there is a delay then why not the software delay also, so it is equal.

What!?! How on earth is adding even more delay going to help?

Your strategy is clearly inappropriate for the market you are applying it to. There's almost no money in the midweek IP market and the price moves wildly in microseconds.

[andyrich666]

But as the guy who was removed from the forum, who had the same problem stated this problem can be fixed,

Who has been removed from the forum? the way to fix it is as several users have stated on this thread already and thats well documented throughout the forum - allow sufficent time between clicks when betting in play

Ill show you one day when I allow time it will do the same, the price will come crashing in, why can't you just have a box where you can put in a figure say £100 and when the green hits that it does it automatic ??

That would save this.

You can do this using a simple profit/loss automation rule, or by clicking on a hedge figure on the ladder screen at the amount you want to green up for - this will be in the market ready to be matched if the price reaches it

It is too complicated,the automatio I tried it once and I could not do anything outside of it, why not just incoporate it in the software, so simple,

and for Shaun

3 of the 5 times were not the same as this, twice I accept but even if I never hit it 3 times it would still go red and red so you catch the red and then bigger or less, in these races which is what none of you comprehend.........the only way is to upload a video, but it should not happen anyway because even Betfair does not allow it to happen. you should never be able to go over the liability.

Easiest thing to do is add a box, you put in green at this figure or this %age and then this complaint can not exist, automation is too complicated to understand,

Night guys, I though the hard work is picking the horses, There was another today where I had a £145 green and did only click once, and ended up with a £10 red,

[ShaunWhite]

Andy, let me try and be constructive. Excuse me if you have already tried this. I do very little in-play and never use the one-click screen so can't comment on your exact problem. But I understand how it happens.

Do you use the In-Play screen or the One-Click screen ?

You may simply need to see more of what is happening with the bets. Below is my in-play screen layout, as you can see I always display all matched and unmatched bets so I can see exactly what is happening...according to Betfair. I am able to green using the watch list and I do not click it twice unless the first green transaction is showing as unmatched. That way I know the first green is there to be cancelled and isn't still trying to get through the wires to Betfair. The staking level comes from the one-click screen parameters at the top.

The only software solution I can think of (in 5 mins late at night) is to grey out the greening button when it is clicked, until the transactions generated by it's last click have been acknowledged by betfair. That way it would be impossible to send the same information twice. Possibly with an override/reset popup if you click it when it's grey for the times when the originals are actually lost in space. Would that work ?

If we think this is hard...imagine the issue they have inside the bet matching engine!

[Trader_Tom]

I know I've banged on about this in the past but smashing the green up button repeatedly in a blind panic in play actually resulted in me winning a huge green that paid for my trading setup

In regards to your problem. I'm afraid all that is left to do is follow everyone else's sound advice and be more aware of the matching/unmatched bets you currently have in the market. The software is doing it's job right but it can only work within the boundaries it is confined to.

Regardless of whether you believe it is a software fault or not. It is your responsibility to be confident in how you place your bets. If you do not have faith in the software you are using for whatever reason then quite simply, don't place large bets like this. Sometimes Betfair's API can play up and you'll often see traders stop trading for the day when it does. This is because their confidence to trade efficiently has dropped. While it is Betfair's fault when this happens, the action the trader takes is their own responsibility.

I can see your frustration. No one likes a red but I'm hoping once you've calmed down you can see the problem for what it really is.

[Geordie]

Andy, I wonder if your mouse is the culprit.

I once had a mouse that would 'double-click' on occasions - I bought a better mouse and it no longer happens.

Just a thought and I may be way off the mark, but your 3 clicks were all timed the same.

[andyrich666]

I might look at other software, yesterday I was so frustrated,today I sat on my hands even in this race where I could have easily took them from my ass and pounded the trade button but I did not,it has got me confidence in my selections and thinking maybe 7/10 on the AW sit on your hands and leave it will be the best way,I had a few issues tonight it races going off on time but...Im on cloud 9 tonight for this, 32 back and sat on hands and let it trade at 1.04

Yesterday my head was not right and I should have took a walk, but I think we still need to find a solution to this............

Why cant the software work with the delay so the prices given are the delayed prices and then when you hit "trade" it will be instant....is there a way of doing this , sounds very simple no ? The software runs at the betfair delay, then all is instant. Simple I think.

[cybernet69]

I might look at other software, yesterday I was so frustrated,today I sat on my hands even in this race where I could have easily took them from my ass and pounded the trade button but I did not,it has got me confidence in my selections and thinking maybe 7/10 on the AW sit on your hands and leave it will be the best way,I had a few issues tonight it races going off on time but...Im on cloud 9 tonight for this, 32 back and sat on hands and let it trade at 1.04

Yesterday my head was not right and I should have took a walk, but I think we still need to find a solution to this............

Why cant the software work with the delay so the prices given are the delayed prices and then when you hit "trade" it will be instant....is there a way of doing this , sounds very simple no ? The software runs at the betfair delay, then all is instant. Simple I think.

It's not as simple as one might think. Yes, BF impose a delay BUT other delays could also occur due to your ISP, machine going into sleep mode or running a Windows update. You would also need to find out how BF implement their CashOut functionality. But I don't think they are going to share that with anyone.

BA and the API do not use transactional type programming. What needs to happen is like when you enter FX trades whereby you can specify if the transaction has actually been processed or not without worrying about time delays etc. Yes, you can specify a 30 second delay but that is not the same as getting trade confirmations etc. I am assuming that the BF Web CashOut functionality implements something along these lines so that you can't end up in a worse situation.

I implemented something using other software to create multiple 'Make Market' type transactions. It sounds easy but I ended up creating 10 different triggers to make sure duplicate trades, cancels and green-ups didn't conflict with each other given the fact that sometimes you don't know exactly how long a delay could end up being.

[neilb]

Why cant the software work with the delay so the prices given are the delayed prices and then when you hit "trade" it will be instant....is there a way of doing this , sounds very simple no ? The software runs at the betfair delay, then all is instant. Simple I think.

It isn't the prices that are delayed, it is the placement of the bet. How can the software know when you are intending to hedge?

[LinusP]

I might look at other software, yesterday I was so frustrated,today I sat on my hands even in this race where I could have easily took them from my ass and pounded the trade button but I did not,it has got me confidence in my selections and thinking maybe 7/10 on the AW sit on your hands and leave it will be the best way,I had a few issues tonight it races going off on time but...Im on cloud 9 tonight for this, 32 back and sat on hands and let it trade at 1.04

Yesterday my head was not right and I should have took a walk, but I think we still need to find a solution to this............

Why cant the software work with the delay so the prices given are the delayed prices and then when you hit "trade" it will be instant....is there a way of doing this , sounds very simple no ? The software runs at the betfair delay, then all is instant. Simple I think.

I can see your username.

You do realise you are asking betangel to predict the future?

[Naffman]

C'mon Betangel you can surely do that