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Nero Tulip
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Good and timely thread, and genuinely nice to see people being supportive of positivity, and rewarding it.

Social internet is complex, downright weird and quite scary in recent times. I don't think I've witnessed anything like what's been going on in the last year.

As I think someone else said, there's a bit of a problem when it comes to content on the internet. It is impossible to know the truth of anything you read. You have to guess to some degree whether what you have infront of you is honest, and what it's motives are. I think what we are seeing is something of a step change in learned behaviour from certain groups, while the others have not yet adapted their approach to it. There is growing scepticism when it comes to reading posts, but nothing like enough yet. Ultimately, is that a sphere that is pleasant to roam?

Saying that, you might make a decent argument that this could just be a standard developmental social net cycle, where eventually the party is spoilt by certain elements that no longer make it a positive and productive place to hang out (betfair forum 13+ years ago).

As a glass half full user of social sites, I have, thankfully, met some brilliant people who have made a big difference to my life, socially and work wise, and I have tried my best to feed that back into the system. So without wanting to sound like someone who says - don't trade this market because it's full of people doing this or that and you cannot possibly win - my message would be, sure go ahead, give 'social' your best shot, but be aware of risks, a. b. and c, and arm yourself with x amount of very thick skin.

And this is the crux with a couple of recent happenings. It's half empty / half full. Your personalised opinion on other people's dreams and hopes, counts for zero, unless of course, it's somehow important to 'you'. If you are a speaker of sense and knowledge, you advise, and say thanks for stopping by and good luck. People don't have to read what you write (an increasingly powerful tool everyone should employ at will). If some people are winning, then people will try themselves. Not everyone will win, but (warning: fluffy BS) to try and to fail (and learn) is progress.

There's some disconnects here. Most people do not win, so why is the World not full of angry people saying you can only win if your edge is unethical or you had surivorship bias on your side? It's because they are still trying, or they have healthy respect for competitiveness, hard work and knowledge they have not yet learned, or they've sensibly hung up their boots on that pursuit and said 'too good'. Or they accept everyone's right to try (and progress), and equally, that some people might outperform themselves. The majority of people are decent - but they are also, not as loud with their voices.

There are other social side effects. Scepticism becomes a weapon of mass boredom in some hands, everything becomes questionable, 'oh you thought that afterwards did you?' 'Didn't you say this 5 minutes ago and now you say xxxxx?' '6183 days ago you said something different', etc etc People tend to think they own you, if you don't reply they get frustrated, and changing your mind on something becomes less socially acceptable by the day. No coincidence perhaps the better discretionary traders are very adept at changing their minds. Thankfully, I have nothing to sell, no one pays me money for any services, I have no obligation. I do feel for Peter in this regard.

I have come to realise that it is a channel for ego stroking, big and small, even the most innocuous of posts can be indulgent, myself included and guilty. More profoundly for me lately, internet social has lost any sense of 'real', and has no relevance on real life, those pushing bad vibes and lies, would like you to think otherwise. Like the playground clique that invents it's own rules, away from the bike shed, normal life really does continue, and it contains family members, nice food, music, games and actual stuff! They can stick to their bike shed and waste their time.

Speaking of which, 99.9% of the time, I'm learning nothing, just trawling through stuff, slowly whittling down my own physical senses as I go. It's joyless.

When it loses it's sense, it ceases to be sensible or healthy to continue reading it, as much as it is tempting to be the moth flailing around a flame. Respect to those that didn't sign up to it, my new definition of intelligent! And my goodness you must have so many more automated strategies. :mrgreen:

So, like I said, go ahead, give it your best shot :mrgreen: Did I mention the best traders are also contradictory of themselves..

big up jollyg, letiss, dallas, euler, andy fuller and the rest of the good eggs... whom, I'm sure, have tried and failed (and unashamedly given up where appropriate) many things before reaching success at whatever it is they succeed at.

There's no point to anything is there?
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gazuty
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Perspective

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JG you are valued by me.
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SeaHorseRacing
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This thread is turning into a wakening of the dead. :lol:

Some old timers back it appears?
oliver123
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Well, I have nothing but respect for Peter - have done his one-day course, been a BA user for six years - roughly - and have to admit there are assholes out there who just troll and hate success. I have never used Twitter (never will) and shut down my Facebook account about three years ago, not be cause of trolls or anything like that, but could not get used to family and friends posting photos of meals they were just about to eat in restaurants and other such drivel. For Christ sake, I don't wanna know what you had for dinner last night!! Anyway, this is the age of the Internet - it has it's ups and downs. I just get on with it.
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SeaHorseRacing
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Same reason I am not on social media. I honestly couldnt care what the school bully is having for dinner and I am not a therapist either.
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:Same reason I am not on social media. I honestly couldnt care what the school bully is having for dinner and I am not a therapist either.
Every time somebody goes on the attack you learn they are trying to hide something. So if you see people doing that, it should beg the question of what they are hiding. There is always something there in my experience, always.
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Euler wrote: Every time somebody goes on the attack you learn they are trying to hide something. So if you see people doing that, it should beg the question of what they are hiding. There is always something there in my experience, always.
Like someone who is homophobic, but secretly would love to be shagged up the ass
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:Same reason I am not on social media. I honestly couldnt care what the school bully is having for dinner and I am not a rapist either.
I read the above quote as I have edited it...
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SeaHorseRacing
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Euler wrote:Every time somebody goes on the attack you learn they are trying to hide something. So if you see people doing that, it should beg the question of what they are hiding. There is always something there in my experience, always.
Thats very true. I know from experience!
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SeaHorseRacing wrote:Same reason I am not on social media. I honestly couldnt care what the school bully is having for dinner and I am not a rapist either.
I read the above quote as I have edited it...
Lol. shhh!!! :lol:
giblespaul89
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I can imagine that it can be immensely demotivating to see negative comments online which essentially have no basis however this has to be viewed for it's real context. Anyone who has any success in any field and has the courage to put themselves out there is subject to people trying to bring them down, there are various human psychological reasons for this however mainly is because some people can't accept the success of others as it doesn't fit their narrative (because they aren't successful).

From a personal basis the one thing I would like to add is, the stellar work and efforts that are being made by yourself and Peter do have huge effect on many people (it's just generally the 'appreciative crowd' is often a lot quieter than the 'heavily critical'). I started a few months ago and am starting to head towards the consistent profit. There is absolutely no way I could have done that without this product, support and forum. There will be countless other traders like me out there. The impression I get from the videos of Peter is that he's probably moving his skills towards more financial orientated trading/risk analysis and like with yourself, there is probably an exit strategy in mind with your sports trading. However you have to bear in mind, if you both packed in trading tomorrow, you've given and will continue to give a lot of traders the tools to earn money and improve their lives and an area that has no barriers to entry. That's very rare, money can't buy you happiness but it can give you freedom. So that's an incredible legacy to leave, if you do choose to.
Bluesky
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Really nice post Nero Tulip, I enjoyed reading it, thanks for taking the time to produce it, you make some excellent points.
BackHighLayLow
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To begin, I'm going to declare an interest here that I am a software vendor, so take this post as that from a competitor

Been reading with some amusement the stick that the various "Buy My Product Traders" have been getting in recent times in a few places on the internet, & ironically the brunt of it from somebody who is flogging the dream themselves in their own little way which is a tad hypocritical, but ho hum.

Wherever you go on the internet you will always get trolls. Just laugh them off, as they detract you from your life objectives.

But here's my 2 pennies worth on Dave's post...
JollyGreen wrote: So why should Peter bother? He doesn't need to sell the software to make a living. He puts profits back into new development, have you noticed how Bet Angel is constantly updated, far more than other products do!
Seriously? You don't know the answer to that? A quick look at the company accounts over the years shows just why Peter bothers with his commercial activities. :D Does he need the money? No, but he likes it, and he likes to win!
JollyGreen wrote: I know some of the comments annoy and upset Peter and why wouldn't they? I just do not understand why they do it and what they're hoping to achieve?
Peter has put himself in the public eye for years solely for the purposes of heavily marketing his products, and probably puts more marketing effort into BetAngel than all the other software providers combined.

This is a commercial decision on his part that has rewarded him well over the years, so Peter should be a big boy and take it on the chin if others are critical of this is any way, as the bottom line is he does it for the bottom line!
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SeaHorseRacing
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Thats your opinion mate.

Your message is stated as if your opinion is fact. Peter has said his reason and this is your opinion.

Why do people think opinions are facts? O rwhy do people think they know the answer to someones own thoughts or opinions.
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Hi LeTiss

I agree with you about social media.

I'm more or less stopped visiting this forum, and I should really massively cut down on Twitter and Facebook. They are addictive and kill time, but there are more productive things I could be doing. I am seeking knowledge, there are better places to go than to those lions' dens.

BTW, my thought about this discussion is 'Who cares what other people are doing or saying?'. If you don't like what someone says or writes, just ignore it. Life is too short.

I don't think Peter will wish on his deathbed that he'd spent more time worrying about what James Butler and his other critics wrote about him (and to be fair to James, from a purely neutral standpoint, some of his posts are quite funny, though I can see why Peter might not take that view! :lol:).

This thread raises the question of 'What's it all about?'.

Let's assume that in this game the majority will lose money and get frustrated, and a small minority will get rich. Is exchange trading, therefore, not basically a legal Ponzi scheme with zero net societal benefit (like the National Lottery, but without the donations to good causes)?

In light of the above, is there any net benefit to forums like this or to trading courses? Or do they just play to people's 'It could you YOU' fantasies and enrich the few at the expense of the many?

The above might sound negative, but sometimes the most positive question to ask is: 'Am I spending my most precious resource - time - as well as I could be doing?'.

Bye for now. :)

Jeff
LeTiss wrote:Social media is the work of the devil, just one of the reasons why I refuse to have Twitter/Facebook accounts etc
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Ferru123 wrote:Let's assume that in this game the majority will lose money and get frustrated, and a small minority will get rich. Is exchange trading, therefore, not basically a legal Ponzi scheme with zero net societal benefit
trading is a microcosm of society. you need losers, the market requires people to lose, otherwise you wouldn't have a market. modern society requires failures. imagine everyone finished college with A*, A*, A*, A* - society wouldn't function. who'd want the rubbish jobs? people think that just because there are no barriers to entry, it will make trading easy, well it isn't - not if you want to join the elite. i'm a big believer anyone can be profitable given enough time, but to be up with the best (successful - £100k+) you need an incredible work-ethic & an unsatisfied personality!
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