Not wishing to start an argument over this but one thing has always puzzled me. Where do these people get the money from to travel and then pay people smugglers from. I am told it’s £6,000 each to travel from France. I presume, someone correct me, that those who don’t have the money are put in back street employment go pay their debts off via prostitution, drug industry or cleaning laundry. If that is correct then surely it would be rather easy to target those employing them and giving them 20 years in prison. However, prison is not cheap and ultimately the tax payer ends up paying £38,000 per year per cell place. Which some might argue is unfair on the tax payer when that money could overall goto the NHS, Armed Forces, Education or Council housing.greenmark wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:52 pmFrom what I know illegal immigrants in France are tolerated "Sans papiers". They have no rights or access to legal employment.Archery1969 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:07 pmAlso, France doesn't house migrants in expensive hotels, they can have basic accomadation, food, water and help with the asylum process via processing centres around the country. But these are all outside of Paris itself so tourists dont notice. Also France is roughly 2.5 times bigger than the UK with roughly the same population, so most dont notice the number of migrants compared to the UK.firlandsfarm wrote: ↑Mon Jul 22, 2024 12:40 pm
This is a big part of the problem, you order them to leave but don't have the facilities/capacity to lock them up so you let them out into the general populous expecting them to remove themselves ... really! But if you lock them up it costs lots of money and you have to accommodate them until you can send them somewhere ... hence the Rwanda scheme. It will be interesting to see what replaces it for those needing to be physically deported.
If I was an illegal in France and told to leave I would make my way to Belgium, then when ordered to leave Belgium I would make my way to Germany etc. I could tour all 27 countries staying in each for as long as possible!
Poland is one country in the EU that often turns a blind eye to the EU/UN charters and rules when it comes to looking after migrants. If you dont have permission to enter beforehand then you are quickly removed with no help and encouraged to go anywhere else but Poland. It seems the EU turns a blind eye to Poland not doing as their told or following international laws.
Belgium is similar. No real attempt to integrate people that have the guts to travel (often lethally) to find a better future.
The streets of Brussels (according to someone I know that has lived there for over 2 decades now), have had a permanent immigrant beggar populaton for that entire time. Not rocket science that hose countries have created their own adaptions to the influx.
The UK goes nuts over 1000's that are prepared to die crossing the channel.
For me, we try to pull up the drawbridge to our castle and are getting a bit miffed that some are smarter than us.
In 2022 there were 98000 illegal migrants from Syria into the EU. Net highest was Afghanistan at 36000.
Could anyone deny asylum to people fleeing those countries?
It seems no country has the answer. But my ultimate question would be why should someone coming to a country illegally be given a roof over their heads while people already here are being evicted by landlords and councils with no support. That’s what drives people to make stupid voting decisions either far right or far left.
I guess if anyone came up with a suitable answer then they would be a millionaire and/or win the Nobel Prize award.
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If every non-trading thread was closed then I would agree with you but to close one and not the others is not just censorship but in this instance it would be political censorship! And do you not see the handful of complaints and my 'necessary' responses to those complaints far outnumber my original posts! Boredom levels would be greatly reduced if people just thought "OMG not him again" and moved on.