Tottenham riots: police let gangs run riot and loot

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andyfuller
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Interactive Google map showing all locations hit tonight:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=2 ... 2C0.298691
Iron
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andyfuller wrote:Problem is the Army aren't trained for this sort of thing.
It can't be that different to some of the stuff they've had to do in Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland, surely? Only at least here, the people they're up against generally don't have firearms or bombs on them...
andyfuller wrote:They aren't going to start firing their SA 80's anytime soon that is for sure.
I hope they don't have to, but they are told in no uncertain terms that they may do so, if they have to. At very least, I hope the army are allowed to use rubber bullets.
andyfuller wrote: There is quite a difference between the two situations and I think the SAS have bigger fish to fry than some low life criminals.
Let's say you have a situation where a bunch of looters are ransacking a store, but the police are frightened of storming the place. Special forces would be ideal, because they're quite good at taking buildings where there might be an ambush waiting! :)
andyfuller wrote: Yes a few of them would be killed no doubt but also quite a few good honest hard working families would be left without their mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, sons and daughters.
If you live by the sword...

Sorry, but if someone dies in a shoot-out with the police, that's their lookout IMHO...

Jeff
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Sky just interviewed a guy who gave a good view on things:


He said you get these guys driving around in their cars, then off they go and before you know it there is heaps of them appearing from no where.

They head off in their cars get on the all important Blackberry and send out the message about where they are going to hit and which shops specifically (A reporter said earlier they had seen messages with a specific shop hit list).

He was suggesting to get all local residents out on the streets and telling these kids to bugger off when they turn up.

Who said the Big Society was dead :lol:
andyfuller
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Ferru123 wrote: Sorry, but if someone dies in a shoot-out with the police, that's their lookout IMHO...
I was talking about the police and innocent people who could be injured or killed.
Iron
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Wow! :o :shock:

I had no idea the problem was so widespread - I'd gotten the impression that it was confined to a couple of boroughs...

Jeff
andyfuller wrote:Interactive Google map showing all locations hit tonight:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=2 ... 2C0.298691
Iron
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Fair comment then. :)

Jeff
andyfuller wrote: I was talking about the police and innocent people who could be injured or killed.
andyfuller
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Ferru123 wrote:Wow! :o :shock:

I had no idea the problem was so widespread - I'd gotten the impression that it was confined to a couple of boroughs...
Kind of explains why the police aren't there immediately doesn't it! They are only verified places as well!

There are 1,700 police on the streets they just said, the thin blue line is pretty thin when stuff like this happens.
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Iron
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andyfuller wrote:Kind of explains why the police aren't there immediately doesn't it! There are 1,700 police on the streets they just said, the thin blue line is pretty thin when stuff like this happens.
Another reason for bring the army in. :)

It's time to bring in emergency measures and quash this nonsense before it really gets out of control!!!

Jeff
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Hope no one ordered a Sony TV recently:

Video of the Sony warehouse on fire:

http://yfrog.com/mdi5gz
andyfuller
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Police supposedly ordering all London clubs to call off all upcoming games according to Sky News.
Iron
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I hope that footballers come out and appeal for calm. If someone the kids look up to (like Rio Ferdinand) condemns the violence, it might have some impact...

Jeff
andyfuller wrote:Police supposedly asking for all London clubs to call off all upcoming games according to Sky News.
andyfuller
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andyfuller wrote:There are 1,700 police on the streets they just said, the thin blue line is pretty thin when stuff like this happens.
I should have said there are an EXTRA 1,700 police on the streets.
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Croydon residents leap from burning buildings as capital burns - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... burns.html
andyfuller
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Kicking off in Bristol now and Nottingham centre cordoned off - where the heck next?
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