RANT CORNER

[Archery1969]

The fallacy that private companies are better at running public services is now clearly nonsense. Problem is the govt are pretty crap at it too.
We need a cultural shift. Instead of "me" it needs to be "us". I only use trains 3 times a year but the on board and station staff are excellent. They really are lions led by donkeys (greedy ones to boot).

Yep.... and it looks like the proposed '!0p fuel duty hike' is going to pay for the train drivers 15% pay offer

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... p-will-hit

What’s the reasoning, to force people back onto trains ?

Don’t they realise that since Covid, people have changed jobs and work habits. Millions more now work from home with no intention of going back to working 9 to 5 in the office. He’ll, 37% of the civil service are still working from home and will want a bumper pay rise for returning to their offices.

But I guess with labour in power it’s the best time to be a public sector worker. The problem is though who ultimately will end up paying for it.

[jimibt]

The fallacy that private companies are better at running public services is now clearly nonsense. Problem is the govt are pretty crap at it too.
We need a cultural shift. Instead of "me" it needs to be "us". I only use trains 3 times a year but the on board and station staff are excellent. They really are lions led by donkeys (greedy ones to boot).

Yep.... and it looks like the proposed '!0p fuel duty hike' is going to pay for the train drivers 15% pay offer

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... p-will-hit

What’s the reasoning, to force people back onto trains ?

Don’t they realise that since Covid, people have changed jobs and work habits. Millions more now work from home with no intention of going back to working 9 to 5 in the office. He’ll, 37% of the civil service are still working from home and will want a bumper pay rise for returning to their offices.

But I guess with labour in power it’s the best time to be a public sector worker. The problem is though who ultimately will end up paying for it.

i've heard that the two main bosses names are peter and paul!! go figure

[Michael5482]

The fallacy that private companies are better at running public services is now clearly nonsense. Problem is the govt are pretty crap at it too.
We need a cultural shift. Instead of "me" it needs to be "us". I only use trains 3 times a year but the on board and station staff are excellent. They really are lions led by donkeys (greedy ones to boot).

Yep.... and it looks like the proposed '!0p fuel duty hike' is going to pay for the train drivers 15% pay offer

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... p-will-hit

What’s the reasoning, to force people back onto trains ?

Don’t they realise that since Covid, people have changed jobs and work habits. Millions more now work from home with no intention of going back to working 9 to 5 in the office. He’ll, 37% of the civil service are still working from home and will want a bumper pay rise for returning to their offices.

But I guess with labour in power it’s the best time to be a public sector worker. The problem is though who ultimately will end up paying for it.

I paid £70 return from York last Wednesday for me and my daughter, it's 30 minutes away and didn't stop at Northallerton. Trains are an absolute last resort for me and only got it so I could have a few slurps at the races. Absolute con artists train operators.

[ForFolksSake]

The fallacy that private companies are better at running public services is now clearly nonsense. Problem is the govt are pretty crap at it too.
We need a cultural shift. Instead of "me" it needs to be "us". I only use trains 3 times a year but the on board and station staff are excellent. They really are lions led by donkeys (greedy ones to boot).

Yep.... and it looks like the proposed '!0p fuel duty hike' is going to pay for the train drivers 15% pay offer

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... p-will-hit

What’s the reasoning, to force people back onto trains ?

Nah ! .. most people who live outside of London couldn't manage without owning at least two cars and only use the train about three times a year.

[greenmark]

Yep.... and it looks like the proposed '!0p fuel duty hike' is going to pay for the train drivers 15% pay offer

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... p-will-hit

Suspect it is the dead cat tactic - throw that on the table and everyone is distracted from all the other stuff that's going on..

England only I might add ! (for now)

Isn't the "Labour caving to the unions" narrative a bit feeble. I use the trains 3 times a year and have been f***ed up several times by the Tories intransigence. Labour came in and it's sorted ( apart from LNER which is a different issue).
Having your journey screwed and landing in Preston in December is not a great place. Reeves has a point. The cost of not negotiating is far greater than compromise. The train drivers may appear to be gouging their power. But the LNER dispute highlights that our rail is run on overtime and goodwill of the drivers. That's just ridiculous.

[jamesedwards]

Yep.... and it looks like the proposed '!0p fuel duty hike' is going to pay for the train drivers 15% pay offer

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... p-will-hit

Suspect it is the dead cat tactic - throw that on the table and everyone is distracted from all the other stuff that's going on..

England only I might add ! (for now)

Isn't the "Labour caving to the unions" narrative a bit feeble. I use the trains 3 times a year and have been f***ed up several times by the Tories intransigence. Labour came in and it's sorted ( apart from LNER which is a different issue).
Having your journey screwed and landing in Preston in December is not a great place. Reeves has a point. The cost of not negotiating is far greater than compromise. The train drivers may appear to be gouging their power. But the LNER dispute highlights that our rail is run on overtime and goodwill of the drivers. That's just ridiculous.

Would have been ok if it was just the train drivers. Trouble is you pay one lot you're going to end up paying them all. Tories know this which is why they have been playing hard ball with ASLEF and the junior doctors for several years. Labour it appears don't know or don't care.

[greenmark]

Suspect it is the dead cat tactic - throw that on the table and everyone is distracted from all the other stuff that's going on..

England only I might add ! (for now)

Isn't the "Labour caving to the unions" narrative a bit feeble. I use the trains 3 times a year and have been f***ed up several times by the Tories intransigence. Labour came in and it's sorted ( apart from LNER which is a different issue).
Having your journey screwed and landing in Preston in December is not a great place. Reeves has a point. The cost of not negotiating is far greater than compromise. The train drivers may appear to be gouging their power. But the LNER dispute highlights that our rail is run on overtime and goodwill of the drivers. That's just ridiculous.

Would have been ok if it was just the train drivers. Trouble is you pay one lot you're going to end up paying them all. Tories know this which is why they have been playing hard ball with ASLEF and the junior doctors for several years. Labour it appears don't know or don't care.

OK. Respect your view. The situation now is entirely of the Tory government's making.
Bottom line is tech advances aren't filtering down through society. We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing, Tech means we have too many with zero skills to make a living. This isn't their problem, it's ours. We are a society. We need to try harder to give everyone a chance. This will cost the better paid, but will benefit us all in the long run. The alternative was presented to us a few weeks ago.

[Michael5482]

Suspect it is the dead cat tactic - throw that on the table and everyone is distracted from all the other stuff that's going on..

England only I might add ! (for now)

Isn't the "Labour caving to the unions" narrative a bit feeble. I use the trains 3 times a year and have been f***ed up several times by the Tories intransigence. Labour came in and it's sorted ( apart from LNER which is a different issue).
Having your journey screwed and landing in Preston in December is not a great place. Reeves has a point. The cost of not negotiating is far greater than compromise. The train drivers may appear to be gouging their power. But the LNER dispute highlights that our rail is run on overtime and goodwill of the drivers. That's just ridiculous.

Would have been ok if it was just the train drivers. Trouble is you pay one lot you're going to end up paying them all. Tories know this which is why they have been playing hard ball with ASLEF and the junior doctors for several years. Labour it appears don't know or don't care.

I agree with the pay rises in principal tbh however we the paying public don't seem to have anything back in return. It should of came with strict conditions and/or related to more efficient/better delivery of services but they've just threw money at them. Basically there getting more money to deliver us the same level of sub-standard services.

I'd wouldn't mind as much if they slashed over seas aid (8.3 billion estimated over seas aid budget for 24/25) and sending all illegal immigrants back to France where they come from instead of paying 6 million a day housing them before robbing British pensioners and raising taxes which they'll do there's no doubt about that but each to their own I suppose.

Just reading Rachel Reeves is looking at council tax now, not been looked at since 1993 when it was introduced and "outdated" Can't wait for the budget

[ForFolksSake]

Isn't the "Labour caving to the unions" narrative a bit feeble. I use the trains 3 times a year and have been f***ed up several times by the Tories intransigence. Labour came in and it's sorted ( apart from LNER which is a different issue).
Having your journey screwed and landing in Preston in December is not a great place. Reeves has a point. The cost of not negotiating is far greater than compromise. The train drivers may appear to be gouging their power. But the LNER dispute highlights that our rail is run on overtime and goodwill of the drivers. That's just ridiculous.

Would have been ok if it was just the train drivers. Trouble is you pay one lot you're going to end up paying them all. Tories know this which is why they have been playing hard ball with ASLEF and the junior doctors for several years. Labour it appears don't know or don't care.

OK. Respect your view. The situation now is entirely of the Tory government's making.
Bottom line is tech advances aren't filtering down through society. We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing, Tech means we have too many with zero skills to make a living. This isn't their problem, it's ours. We are a society. We need to try harder to give everyone a chance. This will cost the better paid, but will benefit us all in the long run. The alternative was presented to us a few weeks ago.

You should change your forum name to GreenMarX

[jimibt]

Would have been ok if it was just the train drivers. Trouble is you pay one lot you're going to end up paying them all. Tories know this which is why they have been playing hard ball with ASLEF and the junior doctors for several years. Labour it appears don't know or don't care.

OK. Respect your view. The situation now is entirely of the Tory government's making.
Bottom line is tech advances aren't filtering down through society. We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing, Tech means we have too many with zero skills to make a living. This isn't their problem, it's ours. We are a society. We need to try harder to give everyone a chance. This will cost the better paid, but will benefit us all in the long run. The alternative was presented to us a few weeks ago.

You should change your forum name to GreenMarX

not a bad idea.. how about also, FourFucksAche

[greenmark]

Would have been ok if it was just the train drivers. Trouble is you pay one lot you're going to end up paying them all. Tories know this which is why they have been playing hard ball with ASLEF and the junior doctors for several years. Labour it appears don't know or don't care.

OK. Respect your view. The situation now is entirely of the Tory government's making.
Bottom line is tech advances aren't filtering down through society. We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing, Tech means we have too many with zero skills to make a living. This isn't their problem, it's ours. We are a society. We need to try harder to give everyone a chance. This will cost the better paid, but will benefit us all in the long run. The alternative was presented to us a few weeks ago.

You should change your forum name to GreenMarX

Good grief, no way. Marx, Trotsky hopeless idealists. Communism is proven to be a failed ideaogy.
I'm 100% democratic (regualated) capitalist.

[ForFolksSake]

OK. Respect your view. The situation now is entirely of the Tory government's making.
Bottom line is tech advances aren't filtering down through society. We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing, Tech means we have too many with zero skills to make a living. This isn't their problem, it's ours. We are a society. We need to try harder to give everyone a chance. This will cost the better paid, but will benefit us all in the long run. The alternative was presented to us a few weeks ago.

You should change your forum name to GreenMarX

Good grief, no way. Marx, Trotsky hopeless idealists. Communism is proven to be a failed ideaogy.
I'm 100% democratic (regualated) capitalist.

Ah!! a Socialist Capitalist ?

We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing

Yep ....., Public Sector Final Salary Pensions

That should be top of the list in your Socialist (Regulated) Capitalist World

[greenmark]

You should change your forum name to GreenMarX

Good grief, no way. Marx, Trotsky hopeless idealists. Communism is proven to be a failed ideaogy.
I'm 100% democratic (regualated) capitalist.

Ah!! a Socialist Capitalist ?

We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing

Yep ....., Public Sector Final Salary Pensions

That should be top of the list in your Socialist (Regulated) Capitalist World

You could have been a civil servant and availed yourself of that nice pension......but you made the wrong decision decades ago.
I don't resent civil servants or anyone else for bagging themselves a good pension. They are are rare beasts now. My final salary pension scheme (not civil service) will dwarf the 3 money purchase schemes I have. Those 3 amount to £60k and will provide less than £2k pa pension.
And I paid more into the other 3 than my final salary scheme.
We get shat on by every government. No real point in complaining about them. But certainly they are better than a Trump of Putin. Be careful what you wish for.

[ForFolksSake]

Good grief, no way. Marx, Trotsky hopeless idealists. Communism is proven to be a failed ideaogy.
I'm 100% democratic (regualated) capitalist.

Ah!! a Socialist Capitalist ?

We have a massive problem that no-one is addressing

Yep ....., Public Sector Final Salary Pensions

That should be top of the list in your Socialist (Regulated) Capitalist World

You could have been a civil servant and availed yourself of that nice pension......but you made the wrong decision decades ago.
I don't resent civil servants or anyone else for bagging themselves a good pension. They are are rare beasts now. My final salary pension scheme (not civil service) will dwarf the 3 money purchase schemes I have. Those 3 amount to £60k and will provide less than £2k pa pension.
And I paid more into the other 3 than my final salary scheme.
We get shat on by every government.

And we are still getting 'shat' on

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/perso ... pert-warns

What a F*KN liberty

[greenmark]

Ah!! a Socialist Capitalist ?



Yep ....., Public Sector Final Salary Pensions

That should be top of the list in your Socialist (Regulated) Capitalist World

You could have been a civil servant and availed yourself of that nice pension......but you made the wrong decision decades ago.
I don't resent civil servants or anyone else for bagging themselves a good pension. They are are rare beasts now. My final salary pension scheme (not civil service) will dwarf the 3 money purchase schemes I have. Those 3 amount to £60k and will provide less than £2k pa pension.
And I paid more into the other 3 than my final salary scheme.
We get shat on by every government.

And we are still getting 'shat' on

https://www.express.co.uk/finance/perso ... pert-warns

What a F*KN liberty

70 or 71 by 2050? Surprised it hasn't gone up already. But I'll be dead by then so I don't care.

Sorry. Went all Trumpesque there.
Of course I care.
I think the Nordic nations have a much better grasp of what life is about. The UK is a rampant capitalist state. The irony of the UK population voting for any Tory govt never ceases to astound me. They are laughing at the working person. It seems to take decades for us to get what is going on, but I guarantee Labour will lose the next election and so it will continue. But that's democracy!