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marketraisen wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:58 pm
My anger isnt that people have panicked too early, if anything they panicked too late
Double edged sword, because that's why longterm edges exist
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superfrank wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:20 pm
You keep comparing it to flu but that's a nonsense.
This year influenza has killed 125,000 worldwide, covid-19 15,000.

Smallpox among the Aztecs killed 4,000,000 in its first 6 months.

I can accept I do not know everything about this virus but then you should also accept the same in detailing what the correct response to it is and your dismissal of my apathy, the numbers simply arent adding up for me at all, nobody is talking about 10,000,000 dying in the uk are they and theres groups of scientists i nthe US and in Germany who think the whole lockdown scenario is insane, credentialism opens the door to both sides cherrypicking advice.

It seems the PM has ordered an effective lockdown of the country as of tonight, ultimately my thoughts on how pathetic the squealing masses are for demanding this are irrelevant, I hope you all prepared accordingly, which extends beyond buying a couple of extra tins of beans.
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marketraisen wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:58 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:47 pm
Numbers will only decrease while and because strict measures are in place. If you want to lift the lid on a virus with a 10% mortality rate (if untreated) and an R value over 2.0 because of money then that's your prerogative. Thankfully those who know what they're talking about don't agree with you.
Where are you getting your figures from? 10% mortality?
I already explained, 2% mortality is with every medical assistance possible. 10% need an ICU. You're not put in ICU for a holiday, you're put in an ICU because without it you''d most probably die. That's why the ICUs mustn't become overwhelmed.

So you think the shutdown is a global conspiracy instigated by the science community? Quite an achievement to deceive every government on the planet. What's their reason for doing it?
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marketraisen wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:13 pm
It seems the PM has ordered an effective lockdown of the country as of tonight, ultimately my thoughts on how pathetic the squealing masses are for demanding this are irrelevant, I hope you all prepared accordingly, which extends beyond buying a couple of extra tins of beans.
I don't want this lockdown any more than you do. This crisis is costing me loads - the same as for most self-employed people I suspect.

Are the masses really demanding it? A few thousand leftists on twitter having wet dreams that this will bring down the government and stop Brexit doesn't count.
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Do you ever think of anything other than Brexit or immigration, Frank?
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ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:14 pm
So you think the shutdown is a global conspiracy instigated by the science community? Quite an achievement to deceive every government on the planet. What's their reason for doing it?
If you can cut and paste where I said that I'm sure we could find a few things to discus on it, its an interesting theory you have come up with.
superfrank wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:22 pm
Are the masses really demanding it? A few thousand leftists on twitter having wet dreams that this will bring down the government and stop Brexit doesn't count.
The masses I am being a bit liberal with the definition of but the utter state of our supermarkets this week tells me we are a people very low on confidence, lacking in perspective and ultimately ready to be told exactly what to do. The few thousand leftists should be getting drowned out but they arent, everyone else is complicit by their silence.

The trucks delivering food didnt explode, the farms were not over run with locusts, farmers across the country havent been abducted by aliens and toilet paper isnt even produced or shipped from China. Going shopping this past Sunday was a delight compared to the war-torn scenes of last Tuesday, the shelves were full, the aisle were empty and the staff looked bored, there was never going to be as shortage of anything we need and even in China (nevermind Italy) supermarkets remained open throughout.

I'm still struggling to come to terms with the scale of whats happening here and how anybody can feel remotely ok about it.
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marketraisen wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:13 pm
, ultimately my thoughts on how pathetic the squealing masses are for demanding this are irrelevant.
If bravado and cheeypicking comforting science gets you through then fair enough. Most people who get this won't even know they've had it, but they're a loaded gun to anyone they meet. I'm not going to gamble with your family even though you'd gamble with mine.
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marketraisen wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:35 pm
ShaunWhite wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:14 pm
So you think the shutdown is a global conspiracy instigated by the science community? Quite an achievement to deceive every government on the planet. What's their reason for doing it?
If you can cut and paste where I said that I'm sure we could find a few things to discus on it
You said the reaction was unnecessary. If you're right that means those doing it either have something to gain or have been deceived by people that have something to gain.
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marketraisen wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:13 pm
superfrank wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:20 pm
You keep comparing it to flu but that's a nonsense.
This year influenza has killed 125,000 worldwide, covid-19 15,000.
Are the number of people dying of flu increasing on an exponential scale?
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Why the Coronavirus Has Been So Successful
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... us/608338/
Since the start of the pandemic, the virus hasn’t changed in any obviously important ways. It’s mutating in the way that all viruses do. But of the 100-plus mutations that have been documented, none has risen to dominance, which suggests that none is especially important. “The virus has been remarkably stable given how much transmission we’ve seen,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina. “That makes sense, because there’s no evolutionary pressure on the virus to transmit better. It’s doing a great job of spreading around the world right now.”
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Is this the end of the road for UK greyhound racing?
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peachflame wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:10 pm
Is this the end of the road for UK greyhound racing?
https://www.gbgb.org.uk/covid-19-update ... suspended/
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What eyes are left will be turning to Aus racing - for a short while atleast!
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well, a lot of bonkers talk on here tonite, so gonna head. have a safe time all... g'nite
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jimibt wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:20 pm
well, a lot of bonkers talk on here tonite, so gonna head. have a safe time all... g'nite
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