I just made a little video to show BF bots inplay with no time delay where as my bets have an inplay delay. I'm curious are these bots from BF themselves or do they give privileges to market makers?
Obviously, if it is BF and their suspension monkey is able to make a bet without any inplay delay whilst everyone else has delays, it would make a very nice benefit for them if they can avoid the inplay delay before pressing the goal button for the simplest of strategy.
I cant post the video on here as I was doing it manually on another ladder as I only use BA for some automated stuff, but Id be happy to share it if Peter gives the nod or PM anyone for a second look at it.
Betfair Inplay bots no inplay delay with submission
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andyfuller
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Why not just link to it from Youtube...such claims are of interest to everyone.
I don't mind it being post here for discussion.
The thing I'd point out is that time advantage is so competitive now people are anticipating events and that can often look like they are beating the clock.
I researched latency and stuff and this was what I had found. People were pressing the button, BEFORE, the event had happened.
The thing I'd point out is that time advantage is so competitive now people are anticipating events and that can often look like they are beating the clock.
I researched latency and stuff and this was what I had found. People were pressing the button, BEFORE, the event had happened.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, people working for BF are exempt from delays
IMO, that distorts the integrity of the exchange and shouldn't be allowed to happen. Sadly, integrity is a word that doesn't sit comfortably within BF's boardroom
IMO, that distorts the integrity of the exchange and shouldn't be allowed to happen. Sadly, integrity is a word that doesn't sit comfortably within BF's boardroom
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steven1976
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https://youtu.be/p9RWRgW7I9ww
Obviously, when I cancel the bets, its the speed the 3 chunks arrive do not have the inplay delay
Obviously, when I cancel the bets, its the speed the 3 chunks arrive do not have the inplay delay
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steven1976
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even with xmatching, is it right that they can avoid the inplay delay everyone else has to suffer? I'm pretty sure there was no xmatching happening in this market. I'm not sure what their official statement is?
You know as well as I do peter, this is nothing to do with xmatching.
You know as well as I do peter, this is nothing to do with xmatching.
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steven1976
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Its dodgy anyway!. My advice would be, is to understand why they put 3 positions, and use it to your favour : Never believe the flashing lights.
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steven1976
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My main point is, there is no money being matched. At the same time other bets can arrive on the market without delay.
That is exactly what it looks like to me.steven1976 wrote:You know as well as I do peter, this is nothing to do with xmatching.
I often see it in malformed markets where you see a price, try to take it and it vanishes. We replicated it. We allow you to switch cross matching on and off on Bet Angel so you can test if that is the case.
If you see something odd and feel it shouldn't be happening I'm happy to represent it to Betfair. I've suggested strongly to them that they lay bare all aspects of cross matching as we get confused customers in support all the time. When I met with them the other week I asked again.
If you don't think this is cross matching then can you detail why not?
It could be the way software is representing cross matching, that's a potential explanation as well.
If you don't think this is cross matching then can you detail why not?
It could be the way software is representing cross matching, that's a potential explanation as well.
I found it: -
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9483&p=78836#p78836
I'm knee deep in other stuff at this moment, so haven't really studied in depth. But if you think you are seeing something different to this, let me know.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9483&p=78836#p78836
I'm knee deep in other stuff at this moment, so haven't really studied in depth. But if you think you are seeing something different to this, let me know.
From that video to me its looked exactly like a bot with no delay reacting to money in and out of the market.
It looks like BF where trying to speed up the formation of the market - ie, no money on back side so it places 3 back bets (never going to allow them to be taken) someone puts there own "Genuine" money on back side BF remove there false seeded money as its now not needed soon as that genuine money is pulled there false seeded money pops back up in its place.
The intension when someone trys to take it with a lay bet it will still dissappear (and also reappear if the lay is taken away) but if the person then still keeps there lay bet that false seeded money has enticed that lay into the market and therefore looks to me like they could do this repeatledly on both sides of the book to close the gap in prices and form the market in the absence of "real" bets either side
Not necessarily a bad thing if there not matching anything and just trying to pull the back and lay prices into a comon middle ground quicker.
It looks like BF where trying to speed up the formation of the market - ie, no money on back side so it places 3 back bets (never going to allow them to be taken) someone puts there own "Genuine" money on back side BF remove there false seeded money as its now not needed soon as that genuine money is pulled there false seeded money pops back up in its place.
The intension when someone trys to take it with a lay bet it will still dissappear (and also reappear if the lay is taken away) but if the person then still keeps there lay bet that false seeded money has enticed that lay into the market and therefore looks to me like they could do this repeatledly on both sides of the book to close the gap in prices and form the market in the absence of "real" bets either side
Not necessarily a bad thing if there not matching anything and just trying to pull the back and lay prices into a comon middle ground quicker.