I am just exploring this area, so, forgive any really basic mistakes.
As primarily, an 'in-play' trader, I naturally have tried to use guardian to automate some 'in-play' strats.
Testing has not gone so well .. but, am discovering why.
If u stack 20 horse races, and restrict the refresh to 3 mins before event start time .. does guardian focus on the immediate race which is within the start time ?
As a more generic question .. what proportion of traders, are pre-race automators .. compared to 'in-play' ?
It seems to me, guardian is aimed at pre-play .. or, maybe u have to load each in-play mkt, manually, to get the best refresh.
Sorry if this is confusing .. I really would like a workshop etc, on automation. Any plans for this yr ?
Guardian Automation / in-play percentage of users
Ironically just last night i posted up a detailed topic on guardian market cycles and refresh rates and the effects on automation which should answer most of your questions
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11491
On the horse markets I don't run any automation pre-race its all IR
Just judging by past forum posts i think most traders tend to automate IR much more than pre-race.
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11491
On the horse markets I don't run any automation pre-race its all IR
Just judging by past forum posts i think most traders tend to automate IR much more than pre-race.
Just in play for me.megarain wrote:
As a more generic question .. what proportion of traders, are pre-race automators .. compared to 'in-play' ?
I have always used excel (as its easier to create and modify a strategy), but more recently moved to guardian as it seems just that fraction faster to me.(based on bet ids when running on two instances, one on excel one on guardian etc)
Regards
Peter
Thx .
Ironically just last night i posted up a detailed topic on guardian market cycles and refresh rates and the effects on automation which should answer most of your questions
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11491
I saw this, and the topic is locked, which is why i opened this thread.
Just experimenting .. I was watching the automation log, and time from in-play, suspended, inplay, was 25 secs .. on a horse race .. presumably becos guardian was cycling.
I will tinker around today.
Ironically just last night i posted up a detailed topic on guardian market cycles and refresh rates and the effects on automation which should answer most of your questions
viewtopic.php?f=47&t=11491
I saw this, and the topic is locked, which is why i opened this thread.
Just experimenting .. I was watching the automation log, and time from in-play, suspended, inplay, was 25 secs .. on a horse race .. presumably becos guardian was cycling.
I will tinker around today.
Yes most likely you had 25 markets loaded with a 1 sec refresh and did not have the "Switch market" box ticked to bring up the IR one up on your main screen to use its refresh rate.megarain wrote:Just experimenting .. I was watching the automation log, and time from in-play, suspended, inplay, was 25 secs .. on a horse race .. presumably becos guardian was cycling.
I will tinker around today.
If you dont want it switching to your main screen or its not convenient (ie your trading cricket or something else) and just want automation completely in the background you can restrict refresh till the off time and set guardian to refresh at 200ms so it will only be refreshing that one market or two at most if there was a late start
I have some example scenarios on how best to set it up based on the types of automation running to post up shortly.
Thx.
Your refresh example, had the 'last update' column perfectly in sync .. mine is all over the place, does this indicate anything ?
Your refresh example, had the 'last update' column perfectly in sync .. mine is all over the place, does this indicate anything ?
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Have you just re-sorted the order into start time ie from volume or market type?
and/or Have you just changed the refresh rate?
How many markets do you have in at the moment?
If you have just done any or some of the above it should correct itself shortly
and/or Have you just changed the refresh rate?
How many markets do you have in at the moment?
If you have just done any or some of the above it should correct itself shortly
Hi,
Thx for all your help .. I feel we should be paying extra.
I just deleted the list, and re-added etc.
The list from overnight, seemed v erratic.
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Just trying to get my head around a few things now.
In the general section, of the automation rules editor, u can make the rule apply to any selection, or a specific row (Bf order).
If the race has 5 runners, and I produce a rule, for .. say 8 horses, will it return error msgs on the missing horses ?
If I tick, any selection .. and try to scalp, all runners, it will be interesting to see what happens. I will try today.
I have read elsewhere, u must run different instances of Betangel, for diff strats (on same race). Does guardian just green the strats, per instance, or, .. if u have 3 strats, on one mkt, it just produce an overall green ?
Maybe u have to use diff Bf accounts.
Within Guardian, does it store all Last traded prices, for all runners ? can u produce a rule, that, says, if Row 1 LTP was x, then, back row 2, at a given fixed odds ?
thx again.
I will spend a few hrs watching, using v minimal stakes today.
Thx for all your help .. I feel we should be paying extra.
I just deleted the list, and re-added etc.
The list from overnight, seemed v erratic.
///
Just trying to get my head around a few things now.
In the general section, of the automation rules editor, u can make the rule apply to any selection, or a specific row (Bf order).
If the race has 5 runners, and I produce a rule, for .. say 8 horses, will it return error msgs on the missing horses ?
If I tick, any selection .. and try to scalp, all runners, it will be interesting to see what happens. I will try today.
I have read elsewhere, u must run different instances of Betangel, for diff strats (on same race). Does guardian just green the strats, per instance, or, .. if u have 3 strats, on one mkt, it just produce an overall green ?
Maybe u have to use diff Bf accounts.
Within Guardian, does it store all Last traded prices, for all runners ? can u produce a rule, that, says, if Row 1 LTP was x, then, back row 2, at a given fixed odds ?
thx again.
I will spend a few hrs watching, using v minimal stakes today.
No probs, ill try answer your questions in order
If the race has 5 runners, and I produce a rule, for .. say 8 horses, will it return error msgs on the missing horses ?
Assuming you have set the rule by row index or in order of Fav then it will just run on what runners there is (ie your rule contains a back bet for horses in row 3 and 7 it just wont trigger the bet on the row 7)
If you set the rule to use the name of a selection you have to save separate copies saved of the rule for each market and select the name/s to run the rule on for each individual market.
I have read elsewhere, u must run different instances of Betangel, for diff strats (on same race). Does guardian just green the strats, per instance, or, .. if u have 3 strats, on one mkt, it just produce an overall green ?
You can only run one automation file per market per instance of Bet Angel so to use multiple rule files (as PeterLe does) you need additional instances of Bet Angel open - but you need to ensure something in one rule does not conflict with something in another
Maybe u have to use diff Bf accounts.
If your able to use different Betfair accounts then you don't need to worry about conflictions within the rules.
Within Guardian, does it store all Last traded prices, for all runners ? can u produce a rule, that, says, if Row 1 LTP was x, then, back row 2, at a given fixed odds ?
Yes guardian can be set to do this you would tell it to place a back bet on row 2 at X odds and add a fixed odds condition to say row 1s LTP is X
Hope that helps
If the race has 5 runners, and I produce a rule, for .. say 8 horses, will it return error msgs on the missing horses ?
Assuming you have set the rule by row index or in order of Fav then it will just run on what runners there is (ie your rule contains a back bet for horses in row 3 and 7 it just wont trigger the bet on the row 7)
If you set the rule to use the name of a selection you have to save separate copies saved of the rule for each market and select the name/s to run the rule on for each individual market.
I have read elsewhere, u must run different instances of Betangel, for diff strats (on same race). Does guardian just green the strats, per instance, or, .. if u have 3 strats, on one mkt, it just produce an overall green ?
You can only run one automation file per market per instance of Bet Angel so to use multiple rule files (as PeterLe does) you need additional instances of Bet Angel open - but you need to ensure something in one rule does not conflict with something in another
Maybe u have to use diff Bf accounts.
If your able to use different Betfair accounts then you don't need to worry about conflictions within the rules.
Within Guardian, does it store all Last traded prices, for all runners ? can u produce a rule, that, says, if Row 1 LTP was x, then, back row 2, at a given fixed odds ?
Yes guardian can be set to do this you would tell it to place a back bet on row 2 at X odds and add a fixed odds condition to say row 1s LTP is X
Hope that helps