Back and Lay

[ganinu]

Any help which is the best race to bet the fav hourse back and than offset with lay?

[welshtrekker]

No easy answer and if there was - we could all set bots up and go live in the south of France!!

Knowledge of the chances of a horse steaming can help. Maybe sites like turftrax and oddschecker can help there.

Strong favourites.

You need to know the track record of selected horses and how they perform on certain tracks.

Fast races may be good, I know they can be, I have had some success.

I tend to stick to laying strategies as I have some idea after months of collecting data.

Maybe others can comment on their B2L experience. When I tried, the loses and wins were about equal i.e. no clear profit.

[jimibt]

No easy answer and if there was - we could all set bots up and go live in the south of France!!

indeed. as you say, a lot of factors to consider. however, it is worth noting that B2L work best on short flat races as you have no jumps to contend with, which can see a good price go from sub 5 to 500 in a matter of seconds. look at races that are sub 10 furlongs. also, look to see if the fave is under pressure from the runner in 2nd place, this can often happen, especially if it's a high odds opening (i.e. the fave on odds of > 3.1 at the start).

so in a word, short races MAY suit a B2L strategy, whereas longer jumps based races may work best employing a lay strategy.

really at the end of the day, it is all about tedious data collection and review of 1000's and 1000's of markets over an extended period. then, you should be better placed to make more correct calls than blindly pushing £xx on the nose of a random runner in a random race. if it's any consolation, it has taken me 5-6 months to get a grasp on where best to lay and where B2L is appropriate, however, I now tend to get it right more than i do wrong now, so there is hope!

[ganinu]

Thanks for the info the most important is to collected data and practice on the race
But do you think this is a good strategy ?? Or waste of time yesterday i enter on Pacecards.com to know the runners
The fav one etc etc...

[jimibt]

Thanks for the info the most important is to collected data and practice on the race
But do you think this is a good strategy ?? Or waste of time yesterday i enter on Pacecards.com to know the runners
The fav one etc etc...

i personally only use the data produced inside the race to steer my trades. the only time i would use timeform etc would be if i were using a dutching strategy and wanted to omit certain runners that showed no previous good form. tbh, this isn't a strategy i use much as i am mostly just using automation to determine my target runners etc.

[Dallas]

When im looking at B2L's one of the first things im looking for is there running style if im backing at the start of the race im looking for front runners, if a horse is a hold up then waiting till later into the race to back at a higher price is another good approach, sites like pacecards save lots of time and show at a glance the likely running styles then its just a case of deciding on your approach if you feel there is a opportunity to be had, as others have said your own data over time is invaluable in any strategy

[ganinu]

thanks Dallas yes i register with pacecard and i think its good there are one free card every day but to get the full packed its oly 17 sterling. today card i was impressed betfair odds the favorite one was 5.41 and pacecard the fav one to win on betfair the odds was 13 and pacecards was right. i will practice 2 or 3 months on back the favorite one and than lay with offset and will see.

[oliver123]

In many, many races the form of a horse is irrelevant, especially favourites. For me, I tend to prefer longer races over the jumps and play in running.

Firstly, stay clear of ALL 5f and 6f flat races! For one thing there is great volatility in prices and if you are backing first BEFORE the start of the race, well, it is a huge gamble. And to play in-running with short races is even a bigger gamble.

For me, stick to jump races of 1m7f and longer, and back in running. I also use RUK so that I can actually see what is happening in a race. And, if I am not sniping, I will back first or lay first depending on the performance of individual runners. I know of people who do this strategy but LAY first and THEN back.

Hope this helps.

[jimibt]

In many, many races the form of a horse is irrelevant, especially favourites. For me, I tend to prefer longer races over the jumps and play in running.

Firstly, stay clear of ALL 5f and 6f flat races! For one thing there is great volatility in prices and if you are backing first BEFORE the start of the race, well, it is a huge gamble. And to play in-running with short races is even a bigger gamble.

For me, stick to jump races of 1m7f and longer, and back in running. I also use RUK so that I can actually see what is happening in a race. And, if I am not sniping, I will back first or lay first depending on the performance of individual runners. I know of people who do this strategy but LAY first and THEN back.

Hope this helps.

just my 2 cents worth on this. imho, the best way to approach this, in play, is to look at the top 2 (or 3) runners (after say the 1st 10-15 seconds) and decide on a good timed entry point that will allow you to party on down with both prices shortening and then, green out for a small %age of your stake. the yield is of course a lot smaller than if you'd simply backed one horse and let it run as long as possible but you will find on average that you at least have gains in the majority of your *carefully* selected races.