Downloadable recordings of the days markets, Any interest?

[Trader_Tom]

I recently offered someone who got caught out in the markets a chance to have a look back at the market and what it was doing in the form of a screen recording. I've took a lot from being able to slow things down and have a look at the market and what's really going on. It's been an invaluable learning tool, especially as I don't always get the chance to trade.

It got me thinking whether anyone else would be able to benefit from downloading the days markets as I record them? I tend to load the markets in to guardian and have the ladders center every minute to keep the current price on the screen properly which "usually" covers most of the important parts of the days racing.

It wouldn't be available every day as I try and trade 3/4 days this time of year and no one wants to see that .

I think it would serve as a useful tool for people to look back in their own time and try to get to grips with what the markets are doing in their own way.

If I was to do it, it would be in a single recording that spans 2 screens, One on top of the other. If you work with screens at the side of each other you could probably do some jiggery pokery with this to make it so when you dragged the video "up" it would come on to the screen next to the main ladder.

Which brings me to...If it is of interest to anyone, what sort of information would you like to see on offer? Obviously one screen would be the ladder (with 5 runners). On the above screen I tend to have the Betfair charts for each runner, a main chart of the favorite with Price/Volume/WOM as well as a couple of other bits. Here's a picture of the sort of thing I have now...

[SeaHorseRacing]

Ah ha.

Funny you should say that. This is by no means a plug!!

I have been working on something with my programmer for nearly 5 months which will enable you to trade any previous market in demo mode. So you can go back to any market and re trade it in a demo mode.

So if you work Days when your home from work you can trade the early days markets in a demo mode that is actually intereactive and it channels all the prices as is if it was live.

You can pause it and after its traded you can do it all over again if you want.

Or you can go back and rehearse last years chetlenham gold cup the morning before this years gold cup. Or perfect certain markets or weak points etc...

Anyway, so the answer to your question is yes. I think lots of people would appreciate that as I think Im onto a winner myself.

[ruthlessimon]

welcome to 'the vault' - nearly every market since Aug. 2016 (10mins - post)

[ruthlessimon]

Ah ha.

Funny you should say that. This is by no means a plug!!

I have been working on something with my programmer for nearly 5 months which will enable you to trade any previous market in demo mode. So you can go back to any market and re trade it in a demo mode.

So if you work Days when your home from work you can trade the early days markets in a demo mode that is actually intereactive and it channels all the prices as is if it was live.

You can pause it and after its traded you can do it all over again if you want.

Or you can go back and rehearse last years chetlenham gold cup the morning before this years gold cup. Or perfect certain markets or weak points etc...

Anyway, so the answer to your question is yes. I think lots of people would appreciate that as I think Im onto a winner myself.

kudos if that's true. i'd happily pay a subscription - atm I just eyeball my old recordings. but that's exactly how traders at prop firms hone their order flow skills (take 3 years worth of trades in 2 weeks etc.) http://price-ladder.com/

[Bluesky]

I'm lucky in that I can watch two to three hours of racing most days of the week if I choose to, I am however very interested in SHRs idea of trading old races in practise mode. I have to admit before subscribing to Bet Angel I assumed this facility would be available as it is from several financial trading firms.

I think Dallas or Peter have written something about this but can't remember where, and its not quite as simple as I assumed it would be.

[Bluesky]

Ah ha.

Funny you should say that. This is by no means a plug!!

I have been working on something with my programmer for nearly 5 months which will enable you to trade any previous market in demo mode. So you can go back to any market and re trade it in a demo mode.

So if you work Days when your home from work you can trade the early days markets in a demo mode that is actually intereactive and it channels all the prices as is if it was live.

You can pause it and after its traded you can do it all over again if you want.

Or you can go back and rehearse last years chetlenham gold cup the morning before this years gold cup. Or perfect certain markets or weak points etc...

Anyway, so the answer to your question is yes. I think lots of people would appreciate that as I think Im onto a winner myself.

I would be very interested in this, dependant on the cost of course. Do you have any idea when it might be ready, and what kind of money (ball park figure) you would be talking about.

Actually it might be an idea to start a new thread on this SHR, its not really fair taking over Toms thread really, so it might be best to answer my questions in a new thread.

[Trader_Tom]

welcome to 'the vault' - nearly every market since Aug. 2016 (10mins - post)

Niiiiiiice

I'm lucky in that I can watch two to three hours of racing most days of the week if I choose to, I am however very interested in SHRs idea of trading old races in practise mode. I have to admit before subscribing to Bet Angel I assumed this facility would be available as it is from several financial trading firms.

I think Dallas or Peter have written something about this but can't remember where, and its not quite as simple as I assumed it would be.

I remember reading what you are talking about and there was a good reason why it wasn't available. I just can't remember what it is!

I think that if it was doable, Peter would have probably done it by now. I think it was due to some sort of complication with Betfair if I remember rightly.

Don't mean to piss on your Bonfire SHR! It would be great to have such a service and also one I'd happily pay for if you managed to make it a reality.

[Trader_Tom]

Did a bit of digging...

Trouble is guys, it's not really the holy grail, it's better to model a market and project from there and focus on getting in before the move starts or focus or on your fill. Historical data is fine, but I don't think you will find an edge there.

Based on what we know, the amount being charged for historical data is off-putting for most. You have to spend a lot of money to get anything useful. You need a lot of data!

Betfair have the data and could make it available and have suggested this may be the case at certain points, so we have been reluctant to invest (what is ultimately) your money developing a solution if Betfair then go and expose it anyhow!

We have collected a load of data but can't publish without a license and the associated fees. So I would suggest using Excel and other stuff while an alternative solution comes to fruit. Paying an arm and a leg for data doesn't really make economic sense given what you would learn from it.

[Yorkshire Pud]

The post that you guys are referring to is one by Jimibt and is titled BAMI - Bet Angel Market Import, I'd put the link up if I knew how to!!

[Trader_Tom]

Just to clarify also. I'm not intending to charge for any of this. I'm just a nice guy

[Yorkshire Pud]

I could see this being of interest to a fair few people Tom and is a nice suggestion. I tend to be around foir most of the racing but nonetheless it would still be useful at times I imagine. What I would really like to see available is what SHR has mentioned although based on what was said on the BAMI thread I'm not sure that it's a goer and would hit red tape I'm afraid??

[Trader_Tom]

I could see this being of interest to a fair few people Tom and is a nice suggestion. I tend to be around foir most of the racing but nonetheless it would still be useful at times I imagine. What I would really like to see available is what SHR has mentioned although based on what was said on the BAMI thread I'm not sure that it's a goer and would hit red tape I'm afraid??

It looks that way : /

[ShaunWhite]

I have been working on something with my programmer for nearly 5 months which will enable you to trade any previous market in demo mode.

Don't let Betfair catch you doing that for any kind of financial gain. They'll muller you! (that phrase has got a nice sporting etymology the youngsters might not be aware of).

It's not especailly hard to do, so why don't you see more people doing it? Because if they do, they keep it very VERY quiet. shhhhhhh

What's your approach? faking the BF-API data stream, or making a slimline trading app fed from your own format? If you manage to simulate the BF-API stream from a database, count me in. I guess the hard part is capturing all the BF market data, not just price data reveiled by BA.

[megarain]

I think the hang-up before, was that in replaying data, u are having to save it, in a historical manner.

Bf had someone distributing the historical data, (for a fee), and have now started an in-house Beta, where data will be available on an on-going basis, by sport.

They are gonna charge 50-100 quid, per mth, per sport, depending on the level of detail u want.

I can post all the details, if anyone wants.

The nice thing, will be, they are going to release 18mths of history.

I am part of the Beta trial. Havent seen anythng yet - but expect a lot more data firms, will offer players -- of old markets, this yr.

[LinusP]

Hi megarain, are you able to post more details? I assumed the api would be free

Streaming now makes collecting data a lot easier / cheaper especially as they now give you a publish time, once you have the algos to calculate if your orders have been matched such as betangels practise mode it's relatively easy to use historical data.

My current issue is how do I run a months races through my framework as quickly as possible when I have fillkill / bet delays. At the moment I run over night when my instances aren't doing anything but at most I can do a few days.