Automation Rules Help - Over 0.5 Goals

[danny162]

Hello all,

I'm new here, I've only signed up due to needing help as I couldn't find exactly what I was after throughout the forum.

I've currently got the bet angel pro trial and I am just having a play around with the automation and rules settings but I am struggling and I am hoping it is just a few clicks here and there that I'm not doing right.

I was trying to apply a rule to three selections. The games were 0-0 and I wanted to apply an in play rule of backing Over 0.5 goals for a £2 stake when the odds hit 3.

I've added a few attachments, tried to add 5 but it wouldn't let me.

Can you have a look over the options I've applied and see if they are correct?

I also noticed that of the three games I had showing as in play, one of the games conceeded a goal, it would have been well before the odds hit 3, so I was expected it to show as an unmatched bet, but it just showed as suspended, is that also meaning that my rule didn't apply before the odds were hit? Which is what I was hoping it would do.

Finally I have also been getting a message when applying the same rule to the other games that it might not work due to it being a different market? I thought you would have been able to create a generic rule and then apply it to multiple matches?

For example the rule above applied to 3 current 0-0 games? Is that something that can be done? As that message through me off.

Sorry for the long post, hope it all makes sense.

Thanks

Dan

[eddy9005]

What you have to remember is the time delay in puting your bet in the market is normally around 7 secounds you also have to remeber to keep all bet after suspension or set a new rule for this. the way to do this is choose your selection,
add rule place a back bet on the odds and selection you require ,then add the keep all unmatched bets selection .in football markets are wiped when it suspends ,so you need to add rule replace bet unsuspended time condition, and give yourself at least 20 secounds for market to reform.
Looking at your attatchments it seems you are only missing the keep all bets. i hope that helps.

[danny162]

What you have to remember is the time delay in puting your bet in the market is normally around 7 secounds you also have to remeber to keep all bet after suspension or set a new rule for this. the way to do this is choose your selection,
add rule place a back bet on the odds and selection you require ,then add the keep all unmatched bets selection .in football markets are wiped when it suspends ,so you need to add rule replace bet unsuspended time condition, and give yourself at least 20 secounds for market to reform.
Looking at your attatchments it seems you are only missing the keep all bets. i hope that helps.

Thank you eddy.

When I was applying the same rule to another market, it also came up with the message : The automation rules file contains rules linked by selection name with the market 'name of football match - over/under 0.5 goals'. It may not work as expected with other markets.

Does this mean the rule will only work for that particular market/match?

I thought applying that rule to any over 0.5 market would work ok? Or is it just a warning in case I was using it on a completely different market altogether such as correct score etc?

[Dallas]

When I was applying the same rule to another market, it also came up with the message : The automation rules file contains rules linked by selection name with the market 'name of football match - over/under 0.5 goals'. It may not work as expected with other markets.

Does this mean the rule will only work for that particular market/match?

Yes thats right, using a name selection is only for single markets, it is a fairly old feature and rarely used now

If you instread apply your rule to 'Betfair order of row index 2' (overs always appear in row 2) then you can apply the same rule to multiple markets

[danny162]

When I was applying the same rule to another market, it also came up with the message : The automation rules file contains rules linked by selection name with the market 'name of football match - over/under 0.5 goals'. It may not work as expected with other markets.

Does this mean the rule will only work for that particular market/match?

Yes thats right, using a name selection is only for single markets, it is a fairly old feature and rarely used now

If you instread apply your rule to 'Betfair order of row index 2' (overs always appear in row 2) then you can apply the same rule to multiple markets

Thanks Dallas, so my applying the selection to 'in row 2 (betfair order)' rather than the over 0.5 goals, that will then know to apply a back bet to the over 0.5 goals?

How would I go about adding the keep selection when suspend rule? Will it have to be a separate rule?

Thanks

[Dallas]

Thanks Dallas, so my applying the selection to 'in row 2 (betfair order)' rather than the over 0.5 goals, that will then know to apply a back bet to the over 0.5 goals?

How would I go about adding the keep selection when suspend rule? Will it have to be a separate rule?

Thanks

Yes thats right, unders will always be in row 1 and overs row 2

To add the suggestion by Eddy9005 when in the rule editor just click the green plus icon to add another rule type this time chose 'keep all unmatched bets'

[danny162]

Thanks Dallas, so my applying the selection to 'in row 2 (betfair order)' rather than the over 0.5 goals, that will then know to apply a back bet to the over 0.5 goals?

How would I go about adding the keep selection when suspend rule? Will it have to be a separate rule?

Thanks

Yes thats right, unders will always be in row 1 and overs row 2

To add the suggestion by Eddy9005 when in the rule editor just click the green plus icon to add another rule type this time chose 'keep all unmatched bets'

Right ok I think I've done it, does this look right, not sure what I'm supposed to do with the trigger times for this one? I've also selected in row 2 for this one as well.

Does it matter that at the top, it still says (using market 'football match' - over/under 0.5 goals' for selection names)

I have just tried applying these rules on another match and I never got the message from earlier this time?

[Dallas]

That looks fine, rule types like 'keep all unmatched bets' and 'green all selections' etc automatically look at all selections

[danny162]

That looks fine, rule types like 'keep all unmatched bets' and 'green all selections' etc automatically look at all selections

Thanks again Dallas, do I have to set all of the same conditions as the first rule I've placed on to the second rule as well? Or doesn't that matter as much with the 'keep bet' rule?

A few other questions if you don't mind, I would have thought that if there was a goal before the odds reached 3, should't I have the fixtures I've selected as an unmatched bet? As nothing was showing in that column, just that it was suspended? Or will it just show suspended when it's no longer available on the market as on the betfair app, if I where to place a bet of this kind it would also show as unmatched until either the market had gone or it had actually hit the price I wanted.

If I also wanted to apply a liquidity condition, say it has to have £5000 and also be at odds of 3.0, does the liquidity condition only come in to affect once the price does? As I wouldn't want to miss out if the liquidity was only £2500 before KO, but then later in the game when my price is nearing 3, I miss out as the liquidity wasn't matched before KO rather than in play?

Sorry for all the questions.

[Dallas]

That looks fine, rule types like 'keep all unmatched bets' and 'green all selections' etc automatically look at all selections

Thanks again Dallas, do I have to set all of the same conditions as the first rule I've placed on to the second rule as well? Or doesn't that matter as much with the 'keep bet' rule?

A few other questions if you don't mind, I would have thought that if there was a goal before the odds reached 3, should't I have the fixtures I've selected as an unmatched bet? As nothing was showing in that column, just that it was suspended? Or will it just show suspended when it's no longer available on the market as on the betfair app, if I where to place a bet of this kind it would also show as unmatched until either the market had gone or it had actually hit the price I wanted.

If I also wanted to apply a liquidity condition, say it has to have £5000 and also be at odds of 3.0, does the liquidity condition only come in to affect once the price does? As I wouldn't want to miss out if the liquidity was only £2500 before KO, but then later in the game when my price is nearing 3, I miss out as the liquidity wasn't matched before KO rather than in play?

Sorry for all the questions.

No you dont need to worry about conditions for you 'keep bets' rule

Once a O/U market has exceeded its number of goals its suspened and closed ie O/U 1.5 will be closed once the 2nd goal is scored.

If you add a volume condition (liquidity) the rule would only trigger once thats satisfied, so if the odds were 2.5 at the time £5000 was matched the bet will still be placed as requested at 3.0 as a unmatched bet. If the odds were 4.0 by the time £5000 was matched then as soon as this happened your bet would be triggered at 3.0 but Betfair will always match you at the best odds avaliable at the time your bet reaches the market.

[danny162]

Dallas you are a superstar mate, think you've answered everything I've been wondering on this topic.

Thanks again fella.

[danny162]

Hello again Dallas.

I was going to start a new thread but as this is the same thing I thought I would still post it here.

Basically, my rules seemed to be fine and I got matched on a few games tonight in practice mode.

But for some reason, the below match didn't.

I haven't changed anything since the previous matches. I've got a keep unmatched rule in place and I want to back over 0.5 goals when the odds hit 3.0

The attached images of the market however didn't match me, I checked it on 87 minutes and the odds were around 7 and I had made sure the automation rule was applied hours ago as I tested this on a few matches.

The back bet didn't trigger for some reason? This is the log below.

26/03/2017 21:21:26: Guardian has detected that the market is in-play
26/03/2017 21:21:26: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended
26/03/2017 21:21:41: Guardian has detected that the market is now unsuspended
26/03/2017 22:52:50: Guardian has detected that the market is suspended

I've attached a few screenshots of to show that the back rule didn't trigger. I've also attached the rules screenshot to go along with this. I am right in putting the trigger to apply 1 time? Otherwise I'll be placing multiple bets of £2 won't I?

Thanks

[Dallas]

Have you added any conditions to the back bet rule?

Was the market running from guardian or was it on one of your main trading screens (one click, ladder etc)?

[danny162]

I've added two conditions on the back rule, I've attached an image. Just find it strange that it did match on a few other matches before hand. Is it to do with selecting the current selection rather than nominated?

Yes it was running from guardian, that's all I've used so far for the automated rules/bets.

[Dallas]

The fixed odds condition your using is saying only place the bet when the back price is = 3.0
ie, if the back price goes from 2.98 and leaps to 3.05 then the rule will not trigger

Change this to greater than 2.98 and it will work all the time