Summer trading

[Silver Lining]

I am quite new to trading and as such only researching football Top European leagues. I only have a few simple strategies under my belt at the moment as there is so much to learn and want to perfect these before trying to take more on board. However, as most footie fans know there will be a few months during the summer when the league matches end and want to learn something new. Has anyone got any ideas or opinions what would be the easiest or quickest to experiment with? Horseracing, tennis or anything else? Thanks in advance.

Regards
Silver Lining

[iambic_pentameter]

Happy to be corrected as football isn't my sport, but I think there is some action in countries like Sweden, Finland during the summer months?

Horse racing has the advantage that there is so much of it but also the disadvantage in that it's the hardest to learn.

Tennis would be a good starting point - really good playlist on the Bet Angel channel that is worth checking out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOb6fvk ... 43D7D636EB

Obviously the tennis forum on this site has a lot useful information, too.

Iambic

[Silver Lining]

Happy to be corrected as football isn't my sport, but I think there is some action in countries like Sweden, Finland during the summer months?

Horse racing has the advantage that there is so much of it but also the disadvantage in that it's the hardest to learn.

Tennis would be a good starting point - really good playlist on the Bet Angel channel that is worth checking out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOb6fvk ... 43D7D636EB

Obviously the tennis forum on this site has a lot useful information, too.

Iambic

Thank you Lambic. You are right about the Football that some countries play during the summer months due to weather and lighting but would be fewer opportunities than at present. I appreciate what you say about the racing, but I would just concentrate on one area strategy initially. This might just give me an insight into this vast sport and I may be able to graduate from there. To be honest, I'm not sure yet whether to stick with footie or try something new?

[ShaunWhite]

Horse racing is a million miles from football trading in almost every way. Tennis seems the obvious analog with the exception that you have two outcomes instead of 3. But at least it's a two selections sport with a stable pre-play and reasonably mechanical in-play market as per football. Or you could use your off-season to work on things for the following year, take a decent holiday or enjoy your other interests.

[Silver Lining]

Horse racing is a million miles from football trading in almost every way. Tennis seems the obvious analog with the exception that you have two outcomes instead of 3. But at least it's a two selections sport with a stable pre-play and reasonably mechanical in-play market as per football. Or you could use your off-season to work on things for the following year, take a decent holiday or enjoy your other interests.

I have thought about consolidating my football data and reviewing my strategies as that will probably give me a stronger start to the new season. As mentioned earlier l just don't know what to do yet but I have plenty of time to think about it. This is why I am asking the forum as I am only on the bottom rung of the ladder and happy to listen to more experienced opinions. Thanks for your thoughts Shaun.

[ShaunWhite]

I am only on the bottom rung of the ladder and happy to listen to more experienced opinions.

When you have a ladder of indeterminate length, 'bottom' is only a relative term. Don't knock where you are, and don't assume the 'experienced' are all anywhere near the top. I've been doing this for ages and I could probably still jump to the ground pretty safely from my rung Don't take anything I say as being fact, like everyone else I'm just figuring it out as I go along and often been wrong. Often when I've been most wrong is when I've followed a route that might suit other people but wasn't right for me. Eg many might suggest tennis but maybe golf or cricket or women's ping pong might be your forte so who knows eh

[Silver Lining]

I am only on the bottom rung of the ladder and happy to listen to more experienced opinions.

When you have a ladder of indeterminate length, 'bottom' is only a relative term. Don't knock where you are, and don't assume the 'experienced' are all anywhere near the top. I've been doing this for ages and I could probably still jump to the ground pretty safely from my rung Don't take anything I say as being fact, like everyone else I'm just figuring it out as I go along and often been wrong. Often when I've been most wrong is when I've followed a route that might suit other people but wasn't right for me. Eg many might suggest tennis but maybe golf or cricket or women's ping pong might be your forte so who knows eh

That sounds like very sound advice. Although l know I'm only on the bottom rung based on the how much there is to learn. All the different strategies and ways to implement a trade like stop losses and trailing stops, different edges, not to mention automation and servants etc.
It's all a grey must at the moment. Maybe I'm better off sticking with the footie for the time being but just wanted to make a few Bob during the summer. Thanks for your advice.

[Kafkaesque]

I'll second Shaun's advice that racing is probably not your best bet, if it's just to fill your time over the summer. That would likely only be a good choice, if you're giving it a serious go.

Tennis seems the obvious choice.

Apart from that, don't underestimate the footie over the summer. Especially if you're starting out, since there's not the same liquidity requirements. If slightly odd hours is not too much of a hinderance, I'd suggest having a look around at the big(ish) leagues running over the summer which starts up while the big leagues are still running, in March/April to get a grasp of them, as they're largely a different beast to the top European leagues.

A further advantage to them being different is learning how the market behaves in those spots, which comes in handy, for me at least, on the rare occassions they occur in a top league.

- Top tier in Brazil, very few goals, slow play, and home advantage is a much bigger factor than elsewhere.
- MLS, complete opposite, culturally based imo that there's an expectation of entertainment, so gung-ho with plenty of matches having the draw as the biggest price.
- China, if Betfair sorts out there in-play feeds from there, also loads of goals especially the last year or two.
- Norway (and partly Sweden and Denmark), a fair few more goals than you're average league.

Not to long ago there was decent, not great though, liquidity in Japan, South Korea, the second tier in Brazil, and a few others. Those days doesn't seem to be about to return any time soon though.

Also, there's the small matter of a Copa America. Not a ton of matches, but still.

Finally, remember that quals for European comps start very early, so they'll be summer matches for a bunch of them. Just be aware that prices will often be volatile with the decreased information available on squads, and there's a vastly bigger risk of match fixing, or even just an unfounded rumour of it, pushing prices, where you do not want them to go.

[ShaunWhite]

Interesting Kafka thx for that, I've got football penciled in for attention this year so those general characteristics made interesting reading.

[Silver Lining]

I'll second Shaun's advice that racing is probably not your best bet, if it's just to fill your time over the summer. That would likely only be a good choice, if you're giving it a serious go.

Tennis seems the obvious choice.

Apart from that, don't underestimate the footie over the summer. Especially if you're starting out, since there's not the same liquidity requirements. If slightly odd hours is not too much of a hinderance, I'd suggest having a look around at the big(ish) leagues running over the summer which starts up while the big leagues are still running, in March/April to get a grasp of them, as they're largely a different beast to the top European leagues.

A further advantage to them being different is learning how the market behaves in those spots, which comes in handy, for me at least, on the rare occassions they occur in a top league.

- Top tier in Brazil, very few goals, slow play, and home advantage is a much bigger factor than elsewhere.
- MLS, complete opposite, culturally based imo that there's an expectation of entertainment, so gung-ho with plenty of matches having the draw as the biggest price.
- China, if Betfair sorts out there in-play feeds from there, also loads of goals especially the last year or two.
- Norway (and partly Sweden and Denmark), a fair few more goals than you're average league.

Not to long ago there was decent, not great though, liquidity in Japan, South Korea, the second tier in Brazil, and a few others. Those days doesn't seem to be about to return any time soon though.

Also, there's the small matter of a Copa America. Not a ton of matches, but still.

Finally, remember that quals for European comps start very early, so they'll be summer matches for a bunch of them. Just be aware that prices will often be volatile with the decreased information available on squads, and there's a vastly bigger risk of match fixing, or even just an unfounded rumour of it, pushing prices, where you do not want them to go.

That's very interesting Kafka, thanks very much. Based on this it would make more sense to research these games rather than looking at something completely different. It will be much easier to transition to other leagues and competitions once I have a grasp of the differences that you pointed out. Thanks very much to all. This is the beauty of being part of a forum.