Does this sound familiar to anyone else?

[arbitrage16]

I trade the horses in the afternoon 6 days a week and then on the other day I am so stressed that I lie awake for 2 hours unable to sleep, take a day off the following day, and then do the same thing on a continuous loop for years?

[Trader Pat]

If you're that stressed you might be over staking.

When a trading session is done for me I don't even think about it. I might have a few ideas floating around in my head re automation but I sleep like a baby!

[rik]

calm down, treat it like a game your trying to beat

[Morbius]

I trade the horses in the afternoon 6 days a week and then on the other day I am so stressed that I lie awake for 2 hours unable to sleep, take a day off the following day, and then do the same thing on a continuous loop for years?

Trading shouldnt be stressful if you've been doing it for years. That's like saying driving a car is stressful on a motorway years after passing your test. A lot of what you refer to as "stress" is probably self induced pressure. As Pat says you are either over staking and should scale back but to be honest your post was a little confusing.

You say you've traded for years? Can I be so bold as to ask you if you do this for a living? I'm struggling to see why you didn't find a solution to this problem a long time ago if you have considerable experience in trading every day for years. It may be that psychologically you just aren't cut out for risk markets

In the vast majority of cases, stress is caused by either a chronic lack of experience, over staking, not being psychologically suited to risk markets or having a system that has very high beta (volatility) which when you think about it is allied to inexperience as the trader lacked specific knowledge to build a system that suited them

[Derek27]

Taking a day off would cause me stress.

[Realrocknrolla]

Im stressed cos i cant trade! ( manually)

[arbitrage16]

If you're that stressed you might be over staking.

When a trading session is done for me I don't even think about it. I might have a few ideas floating around in my head re automation but I sleep like a baby!

Thanks. How long have you been trading Pat? PR or IR?

[arbitrage16]

calm down, treat it like a game your trying to beat

That's a useful perspective, thanks Rik. Could you expand on how you apply that wisdom in your trading please?

[arbitrage16]

I trade the horses in the afternoon 6 days a week and then on the other day I am so stressed that I lie awake for 2 hours unable to sleep, take a day off the following day, and then do the same thing on a continuous loop for years?

Trading shouldnt be stressful if you've been doing it for years. That's like saying driving a car is stressful on a motorway years after passing your test. A lot of what you refer to as "stress" is probably self induced pressure. As Pat says you are either over staking and should scale back but to be honest your post was a little confusing.

You say you've traded for years? Can I be so bold as to ask you if you do this for a living? I'm struggling to see why you didn't find a solution to this problem a long time ago if you have considerable experience in trading every day for years. It may be that psychologically you just aren't cut out for risk markets

In the vast majority of cases, stress is caused by either a chronic lack of experience, over staking, not being psychologically suited to risk markets or having a system that has very high beta (volatility) which when you think about it is allied to inexperience as the trader lacked specific knowledge to build a system that suited them

This was interesting to me, a different perspective, but I looked through your post history and saw some strange advice being offered too, so can I ask - are you making a wage from trading?

[Morbius]

I trade the horses in the afternoon 6 days a week and then on the other day I am so stressed that I lie awake for 2 hours unable to sleep, take a day off the following day, and then do the same thing on a continuous loop for years?

Trading shouldnt be stressful if you've been doing it for years. That's like saying driving a car is stressful on a motorway years after passing your test. A lot of what you refer to as "stress" is probably self induced pressure. As Pat says you are either over staking and should scale back but to be honest your post was a little confusing.

You say you've traded for years? Can I be so bold as to ask you if you do this for a living? I'm struggling to see why you didn't find a solution to this problem a long time ago if you have considerable experience in trading every day for years. It may be that psychologically you just aren't cut out for risk markets

In the vast majority of cases, stress is caused by either a chronic lack of experience, over staking, not being psychologically suited to risk markets or having a system that has very high beta (volatility) which when you think about it is allied to inexperience as the trader lacked specific knowledge to build a system that suited them

This was interesting to me, a different perspective, but I looked through your post history and saw some strange advice being offered too, so can I ask - are you making a wage from trading?

You asked for help. I was offering it. It very much seems to me that your initial nicety of the first line was an entry into saying something connected to my post that was deliberately critical because you took something that I said personally.

First things first.... Quote me something that I said that you found strange. This might prove interesting and something we can both learn from. You'll have to do that I'm afraid as what I say seems pretty logical to me and will have largely been fact based. So I will await your reply

[arbitrage16]

Trading shouldnt be stressful if you've been doing it for years. That's like saying driving a car is stressful on a motorway years after passing your test. A lot of what you refer to as "stress" is probably self induced pressure. As Pat says you are either over staking and should scale back but to be honest your post was a little confusing.

You say you've traded for years? Can I be so bold as to ask you if you do this for a living? I'm struggling to see why you didn't find a solution to this problem a long time ago if you have considerable experience in trading every day for years. It may be that psychologically you just aren't cut out for risk markets

In the vast majority of cases, stress is caused by either a chronic lack of experience, over staking, not being psychologically suited to risk markets or having a system that has very high beta (volatility) which when you think about it is allied to inexperience as the trader lacked specific knowledge to build a system that suited them

This was interesting to me, a different perspective, but I looked through your post history and saw some strange advice being offered too, so can I ask - are you making a wage from trading?

You asked for help. I was offering it. It very much seems to me that your initial nicety of the first line was an entry into saying something connected to my post that was deliberately critical because you took something that I said personally.


First things first.... Quote me something that I said that you found strange. This might prove interesting and something we can both learn from. You'll have to do that I'm afraid as what I say seems pretty logical to me and will have largely been fact based. So I will await your reply

I'm careful on who I take advice from because a lot of it is thrown around without much thought. It was only 8 months ago that you were posting about 'loss recovery systems' and when someone said you need a p/l ratio of 1:1 to be profitable you took it at face value and didn't question it.

To me those are basics that are covered in the first 6 months of understanding trading, hence my question about profitability.

I am profitable and looking to get to the next stage but want to hear from people who have been there and done it, thanks.

[Realrocknrolla]

This was interesting to me, a different perspective, but I looked through your post history and saw some strange advice being offered too, so can I ask - are you making a wage from trading?

You asked for help. I was offering it. It very much seems to me that your initial nicety of the first line was an entry into saying something connected to my post that was deliberately critical because you took something that I said personally.


First things first.... Quote me something that I said that you found strange. This might prove interesting and something we can both learn from. You'll have to do that I'm afraid as what I say seems pretty logical to me and will have largely been fact based. So I will await your reply

I'm careful on who I take advice from because a lot of it is thrown around without much thought. It was only 8 months ago that you were posting about 'loss recovery systems' and when someone said you need a p/l ratio of 1:1 to be profitable you took it at face value and didn't question it.

To me those are basics that are covered in the first 6 months of understanding trading, hence my question about profitability.

I am profitable and looking to get to the next stage but want to hear from people who have been there and done it, thanks.

You sure it’s trading that stresses you out?

[arbitrage16]

You sure it’s trading that stresses you out?

I track my sleep and it's good quality, except for the one night a week where trading gets on top of me and keeps me awake for a couple of hours.

I think that's a useful indicator of what's causing the problem, and when I look at other areas of my life it's pretty stress free.

[Realrocknrolla]

You sure it’s trading that stresses you out?

I track my sleep and it's good quality, except for the one night a week where trading gets on top of me and keeps me awake for a couple of hours.

I think that's a useful indicator of what's causing the problem, and when I look at other areas of my life it's pretty stress free.

I experienced similar thoughts after i finish trading. Not sleep or stress, But takes me a while to wind down.

Thinking that was good, could have done that differently. Number crunching and various other things.

This happens more so when I don’t exercise. Exercise is a big thing for me. Releasing all them endorphins and burning that extra energy.

[Morbius]

This was interesting to me, a different perspective, but I looked through your post history and saw some strange advice being offered too, so can I ask - are you making a wage from trading?

You asked for help. I was offering it. It very much seems to me that your initial nicety of the first line was an entry into saying something connected to my post that was deliberately critical because you took something that I said personally.


First things first.... Quote me something that I said that you found strange. This might prove interesting and something we can both learn from. You'll have to do that I'm afraid as what I say seems pretty logical to me and will have largely been fact based. So I will await your reply

I'm careful on who I take advice from because a lot of it is thrown around without much thought. It was only 8 months ago that you were posting about 'loss recovery systems' and when someone said you need a p/l ratio of 1:1 to be profitable you took it at face value and didn't question it.

To me those are basics that are covered in the first 6 months of understanding trading, hence my question about profitability.

I am profitable and looking to get to the next stage but want to hear from people who have been there and done it, thanks.

Well you've always got to be careful who you take advice from just like I'm careful on wasting my time on people with spikey attitudes when questioned with basics as simple as why they still had the same simple problem years and years later and couldn't figure it out.

If you want to go down a line of making stupid ill thought rash decisions about people you don't even know the history of or why they started a particular thread or insert your own reasons into replies or non replies then the problem is yours. Attacking someone for trying to help you with something who is probably one of the most experienced people on this forum is just silly.

It's plain as day why you can't crack simple problems given these responses. That's me done with you mate but good luck with your dialogue and sleep problem.... Try cocoa at night

Oh and yes mate.... I do "make a wage" your comments connecting profitability with sleep patterns was borderline stupid. Sorry mate but if you want to attack then you get it back. You've just come on here complaining about sleep patterns and yet want proof of profitability from people to help you with this... That is rediculous. Go and see a sleep therapist or is their advice not useful either because they don't "make a wage" trading