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numberzero
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Sometimes I try to trade markets with medium and low liquidity .And I noticed that someone takes the most delicious bets very fast. Sometimes I am even sure that there is no one on the market except me, no one who trades manually. But I do not have time to pick up these bets, the bot scans instantly and takes all advantageous.My chance to get a good deal is only when they take my lay.

I went ahead and checked on an unpopular market that starts in a few days, set a disadvantageous bet for me. It was taken in the same second. I also checked it in surebet scanners, the bet did not have time to appear there

How do they scan?
numberzero
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it’s scary to imagine how much this man earns with the help of such a scanner, even not wasting personal time and having no competition among public scanners .This is a violation of any fair sports fight, people trade manually trying to make something profitable, a bot comes and takes all the best in1 second.
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numberzero wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:18 pm
Sometimes I try to trade markets with medium and low liquidity .And I noticed that someone takes the most delicious bets very fast. Sometimes I am even sure that there is no one on the market except me, no one who trades manually. But I do not have time to pick up these bets, the bot scans instantly and takes all advantageous.My chance to get a good deal is only when they take my lay.

I went ahead and checked on an unpopular market that starts in a few days, set a disadvantageous bet for me. It was taken in the same second. I also checked it in surebet scanners, the bet did not have time to appear there

How do they scan?
Who's they?

You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions. You're sure you're the only one in the market, despite people taking your bets? No one trades manually? It's all bots? The same bot is scanning every single market?

Don't you think it's possible that there are hundreds of botters specializing in different sports, events, levels? I used to enjoy trading US racing manually and would snap up any good offer quickly. Maybe I took one of yours and you assumed I'm a bot. :)
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numberzero wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:38 pm
it’s scary to imagine how much this man earns with the help of such a scanner, even not wasting personal time and having no competition among public scanners .This is a violation of any fair sports fight, people trade manually trying to make something profitable, a bot comes and takes all the best in1 second.
Are you sure she's not a woman? ;)

Betfair is a level playing field and people who win on it (which includes a lot of people on here) win fair and square. There's nothing stopping you from botting if you think they're superior. The tools are readily available.
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:41 pm


Who's they?

You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions. You're sure you're the only one in the market, despite people taking your bets? No one trades manually? It's all bots? The same bot is scanning every single market?

Don't you think it's possible that there are hundreds of botters specializing in different sports, events, levels? I used to enjoy trading US racing manually and would snap up any good offer quickly. Maybe I took one of yours and you assumed I'm a bot. :)
Check it out for yourself . For example, put your bet 1.5 on the total over when the bookie has 2.2, and you will see the speed which it will be matched. I tested it at the Bolivian league starting in 2 days, there were definitely no people alive at that moment.Test on some very small market that will not start soon and there is definitely no one there
There is a bot that scans exactly all markets at the same time and very quickly, perhaps it is the exchange itself that catches odds jumps
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numberzero wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:50 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:41 pm


Who's they?

You're making a hell of a lot of assumptions. You're sure you're the only one in the market, despite people taking your bets? No one trades manually? It's all bots? The same bot is scanning every single market?

Don't you think it's possible that there are hundreds of botters specializing in different sports, events, levels? I used to enjoy trading US racing manually and would snap up any good offer quickly. Maybe I took one of yours and you assumed I'm a bot. :)
Check it out for yourself . For example, put your bet 1.5 on the total over when the bookie has 2.2, and you will see the speed which it will be matched. I tested it at the Bolivian league starting in 2 days, there were definitely no people alive at that moment.Test on some very small market that will not start soon and there is definitely no one there
There is a bot that scans exactly all markets at the same time and very quickly, perhaps it is the exchange itself that catches odds jumps
Could you please rephrase that? Are you talking about backing or laying at 1.5? Never mind what the bookies were offering, what was the back and lay price on Betfair at the time you placed the bet? What sport and market type was it?

Have you considered cross-matching?
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:01 pm


Could you please rephase that? Are you talking about backing or laying at 1.5? Never mind what the bookies were offering, what was the back and lay price on Betfair at the time you placed the bet?
Of course i mean backing in that case .The bot relies on the odds of the bookie when making deals , otherwise it can not analyze whether the bet is profitable or not.

Just check and see how quickly your amount will be eaten by this monster :)
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numberzero wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:14 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:01 pm


Could you please rephase that? Are you talking about backing or laying at 1.5? Never mind what the bookies were offering, what was the back and lay price on Betfair at the time you placed the bet?
Of course i mean backing in that case .The bot relies on the odds of the bookie when making deals , otherwise it can not analyze whether the bet is profitable or not.
What sport was it?

What market type was it?

How many runners?

It's pointless asking anyone to give an opinion of what's going on with so little information.
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It could also be BF algorithms at work
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Derek27 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:19 pm



What sport was it?

What market type was it?

How many runners?

It's pointless asking anyone to give an opinion of what's going on with so little information.

Football. But it is not important. Just place a high disadvantageous bet( for you) in any prematch market where you are absolutely sure that there is nobody there and you will see what I am talking about.
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andy28 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:24 pm
It could also be BF algorithms at work
I also think so. they bet on explicit values themselves
numberzero
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Sometimes you trade on the market with a coefficient of 1.5 back and 1.6 lay and then someone puts it clearly higher, for example, back 2, but I never have time to pick it up because the bot sees it at the same millisecond and takes. Always like this.
And this is already pretty tired, we need to write to the management so that they block this person and let others trade fair.
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numberzero wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:28 pm
Derek27 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:19 pm



What sport was it?

What market type was it?

How many runners?

It's pointless asking anyone to give an opinion of what's going on with so little information.

Football. But it is not important. Just place a high disadvantageous bet( for you) in any prematch market where you are absolutely sure that there is nobody there and you will see what I am talking about.
It is important because cross-matching may be at work. It's not possible for me to place a bet on a market I'm sure nobody is watching because I don't have your psychic abilities and wouldn't know how many people are watching markets.

I find it absolutely incredible that you can place a back bet at 1.5 when bookies are offering 2.2 and you're surprised it gets taken quickly. What else would you expect? :lol:

If you take a look at the automation section here you'll find Dallas wrote a fat-finger bot to catch bets at extreme prices and many people may have downloaded the template or written their own, so I'd suspect hundreds of people are doing it. There is no boogeyman numberzero, other than in children's fairytales. :)
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numberzero wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:34 pm
Sometimes you trade on the market with a coefficient of 1.5 back and 1.6 lay and then someone puts it clearly higher, for example, back 2, but I never have time to pick it up because the bot sees it at the same millisecond and takes. Always like this.
And this is already pretty tired, we need to write to the management so that they block this person and let others trade fair.
We all know that bots are faster than fingers on a keyboard. What makes you think it's the same person? This is the Bet Angel forum that's jam-packed with automation examples. Hundreds of people are using automation. It could be someone on here that's grabbing the money.
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numberzero wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:30 pm
andy28 wrote:
Tue Feb 21, 2023 8:24 pm
It could also be BF algorithms at work
I also think so. they bet on explicit values themselves
I think Andy's talking about cross-matching. Your back bet at 1.5 may have been cross-matched, which would explain why it was taken quickly even if you were right about nobody trading the market.
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