Hey everyone, I'm curious about the importance of using stride frequency as a condition when we already use velocity fluctuation, velocity error, and cadence error in our settings. Does adding stride frequency provide any significant advantage, or is there some sort of overlap with the other metrics? I'm asking because this thread doesn't seem to be getting much attention compared to others. Any insights? Thanks!
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Stride Frequency vs. Other Metrics: Is It Worth Including?
Maybe the silence means it works.lotora wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:58 amHey everyone, I'm curious about the importance of using stride frequency as a condition when we already use velocity fluctuation, velocity error, and cadence error in our settings. Does adding stride frequency provide any significant advantage, or is there some sort of overlap with the other metrics? I'm asking because this thread doesn't seem to be getting much attention compared to others. Any insights? Thanks!
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Or, looked a bit complex so everyone gave it a swerve and looked at the simpler stuff
The TPD videos say VF/VE most important in jump races and CE 'very important' on the flat. I found that runners with a high CE won the race too many times for me to think CE was a worthwhile metric. We must remember the 'E' stands for error.....well its a pretty good error they're makinglotora wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:58 amHey everyone, I'm curious about the importance of using stride frequency as a condition when we already use velocity fluctuation, velocity error, and cadence error in our settings. Does adding stride frequency provide any significant advantage, or is there some sort of overlap with the other metrics? I'm asking because this thread doesn't seem to be getting much attention compared to others. Any insights? Thanks!
Link to the thread: viewtopic.php?t=24696
How much info can be picked up on a horse's stride frequency from a satellite? I'm keeping an open mind on that one for the time being.
I absolutely love TPD and happy to share experience as I dig deeper.
Have you been using just speed and position metrics so far? You must be having some success?
Ok you have my attention. Will be watching this thread closely !Safeway wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 7:14 pmThe TPD videos say VF/VE most important in jump races and CE 'very important' on the flat. I found that runners with a high CE won the race too many times for me to think CE was a worthwhile metric. We must remember the 'E' stands for error.....well its a pretty good error they're makinglotora wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 9:58 amHey everyone, I'm curious about the importance of using stride frequency as a condition when we already use velocity fluctuation, velocity error, and cadence error in our settings. Does adding stride frequency provide any significant advantage, or is there some sort of overlap with the other metrics? I'm asking because this thread doesn't seem to be getting much attention compared to others. Any insights? Thanks!
Link to the thread: viewtopic.php?t=24696
How much info can be picked up on a horse's stride frequency from a satellite? I'm keeping an open mind on that one for the time being.
I absolutely love TPD and happy to share experience as I dig deeper.
Have you been using just speed and position metrics so far? You must be having some success?
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Wow. That never occurred to mejamesedwards wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 7:19 pmI've always presumed it uses an accelerometer in the same way as a fitbit measures your daily steps.
There's nothing I've found on their site which talks about that. I might drop them a line.
We've deviated from Iotora's subject a little. Let us know how you get on with your new bot Iotora
Hi Safeway,Safeway wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2024 5:32 amWow. That never occurred to mejamesedwards wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2024 7:19 pmI've always presumed it uses an accelerometer in the same way as a fitbit measures your daily steps.
There's nothing I've found on their site which talks about that. I might drop them a line.
We've deviated from Iotora's subject a little. Let us know how you get on with your new bot Iotora
Thanks for the insights! I've been using velocity fluctuation (VF), velocity error (VE), cadence error (CE), and speed as conditions with good success, which makes me a bit hesitant to add stride frequency (SF) to the mix. Since my current setup is working well, I worry there might be some overlap or unnecessary complication.
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From thread started March 9th 2022 by Dallas:-
Cadence Error - cadence corresponds to the horse’s rhythm and it is highlighted that stride length and speed are not taken into account in the calculation because a high cadence (high number of strides per second) could also mean a shorten stride length and consequently a low speed.
Apparently stride length is a completely different set of data without overlap to Cadence.
It therefore seems reasonable to include every TPD data type in a rules file all together? I'll do some experimenting.
I've been a bit sceptical of the use of Cadence Error. Maybe it has more value if its in the mix with other metrics. Maybe 1 in 10 races it does us a favour? Dunno.....so many possibilities....
Cadence Error - cadence corresponds to the horse’s rhythm and it is highlighted that stride length and speed are not taken into account in the calculation because a high cadence (high number of strides per second) could also mean a shorten stride length and consequently a low speed.
Apparently stride length is a completely different set of data without overlap to Cadence.
It therefore seems reasonable to include every TPD data type in a rules file all together? I'll do some experimenting.
I've been a bit sceptical of the use of Cadence Error. Maybe it has more value if its in the mix with other metrics. Maybe 1 in 10 races it does us a favour? Dunno.....so many possibilities....
great article https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/sectio ... -the-derby
Yes, it is a great article. I think this man only writes great articles. Thanks!elofan0 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 8:02 pmgreat article https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/sectio ... -the-derby
Since hearing the suggestion that the cadence / stride metrics are the product of a horsey-Fitbit, I have revisited the whole subject and have viewed in running the metrics with the clarity afforded by Bet Angel. My previous experiences were on a site which I find difficult to read.
I liked what I saw on both stakes and handicap races. I am mindful that in 5/6/7f races an energetic horse can break all the rules, show awful metrics and still win but everything fell into place yesterday and I think I am wrong to have felt a bit doubtful on cadence and stride.
TPD got a bit of a bashing from a lot of forum members but predicting one horse as the winner is not really what it’s all about. There is a lot of great stuff in TPD.
Have a great day all.