125K not too shabby for a 6F Claimer
I enjoyed the French and South African Racing today as well.
US Volumes
Hi Sweety
I don't trade US markets as they sometimes close before the official start time, which can be quite frustrating if you haven't closed your trade...
Jeff
I don't trade US markets as they sometimes close before the official start time, which can be quite frustrating if you haven't closed your trade...
Jeff
sweetybt wrote:125K not too shabby for a 6F Claimer
I enjoyed the French and South African Racing today as well.
The fav was short, drifted from odds on (around 1.8 ish) to odds against.
I only remember because i turned over after the football and bet on the next two in the betting, one of them won!
Funny what you can remember when you have backed a winner, i'll have to remember to chase my losses on the USA racing more often!
I only remember because i turned over after the football and bet on the next two in the betting, one of them won!
Funny what you can remember when you have backed a winner, i'll have to remember to chase my losses on the USA racing more often!
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I wouldn't be getting to excited about this being the norm, it is by far the exception to the rule. Most markets would struggle to break £30,000 - £50,000.
The fav was just above 1.7 and did drift but on the Tote it was much shorter. I didn't see what it went off at.
Yes the markets go off when they want in America so the minutes to post and off times are a guide only. The MTP is generally correct but they do go early at some tracks and potentially any track if say the waether is bad as all they want to do is get done.
The fav was just above 1.7 and did drift but on the Tote it was much shorter. I didn't see what it went off at.
Yes the markets go off when they want in America so the minutes to post and off times are a guide only. The MTP is generally correct but they do go early at some tracks and potentially any track if say the waether is bad as all they want to do is get done.
Drifted from 1.7 to 2.6
AND I did get very excited when I had my biggest ever US win. More of a punt than a trade but a very nice way to end the month.
The next race had a favourite at about 2.4 and 118K matched.andyfuller wrote:I wouldn't be getting to excited about this
AND I did get very excited when I had my biggest ever US win. More of a punt than a trade but a very nice way to end the month.
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What I meant was don't get to excited expecting all the US racing to have these kind of volumes - they don't.
The odd races here and there do but the vast majority do not. They are likely to be higher at the moment, as I would assume the greyhounds to be and the Australian racing as people are looking for other things to trade and bet on due to the loss of so much of the UK racing.
If there were those kind of volumes every race they would become okay to trade regularly as you could then get decent orders through but if you read for example the US Racing Forum regularly you will see many comments from the regulars such as Mr Q commenting on how the volumes are falling off and how away from the ATR tracks the liquidity is very poor.
Last night you had Parx, Zia and Turf for quite a while all going off within a 4 minute window and then nothing bar Finger Lakes for the next 25mins. ATR being ATR they even managed to miss Finger Lakes and be at adverts while one of thier races was on and the rest of the time they were showing replays of Matt Chapman interviewing Willie Mullins and some other Irish trainer and then switching to the pre recorded race preview then going to ads and cutting back just at the last minute as the last horse went in.
So what I meant was that people shouldn't get to excited that the US markets have seen huge increases in volumes as they have not if anything they are in decline.
The odd races here and there do but the vast majority do not. They are likely to be higher at the moment, as I would assume the greyhounds to be and the Australian racing as people are looking for other things to trade and bet on due to the loss of so much of the UK racing.
If there were those kind of volumes every race they would become okay to trade regularly as you could then get decent orders through but if you read for example the US Racing Forum regularly you will see many comments from the regulars such as Mr Q commenting on how the volumes are falling off and how away from the ATR tracks the liquidity is very poor.
Last night you had Parx, Zia and Turf for quite a while all going off within a 4 minute window and then nothing bar Finger Lakes for the next 25mins. ATR being ATR they even managed to miss Finger Lakes and be at adverts while one of thier races was on and the rest of the time they were showing replays of Matt Chapman interviewing Willie Mullins and some other Irish trainer and then switching to the pre recorded race preview then going to ads and cutting back just at the last minute as the last horse went in.
So what I meant was that people shouldn't get to excited that the US markets have seen huge increases in volumes as they have not if anything they are in decline.
Did that van wake you up early again Andy?
I know the US volumes are often a bit lame, if you excuse the pun. I was just pointing out that the volumes last night were above the norm and therefore an option for any compulsive traders looking for a bit of action. Perhaps the words "not too shabby" did not explain my point very well. I was supping on a few Leffes and lacking a little clarity of thought.
I know the US volumes are often a bit lame, if you excuse the pun. I was just pointing out that the volumes last night were above the norm and therefore an option for any compulsive traders looking for a bit of action. Perhaps the words "not too shabby" did not explain my point very well. I was supping on a few Leffes and lacking a little clarity of thought.
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Nah nice lie in today then did my 'Big society' deed of clearing the paths and pavements of the snow for the old people around us.
I always thought neighbours are meant to look out for each other in this weather. But the 89 year old woman who lives next door to me hasnt once been round to see me. And she hasn't even bothered to bring her milk in over the last 5 days. Inconsiderate lazy old bat and they say the young of today are lazy!
I think you got the wrong end of the stick with regards to my comments, it is always hard to understand the tone of a comment on a forum; I was just pointing out that these volumes are not the norm. Hence why I said people shouldn't get to excited about these volumes being the norm. Not that you shouldn't get excited about your good win.
So well done on your win. Thankfully Kempton is going well today to make up for my dismal efforts yesterday.
I always thought neighbours are meant to look out for each other in this weather. But the 89 year old woman who lives next door to me hasnt once been round to see me. And she hasn't even bothered to bring her milk in over the last 5 days. Inconsiderate lazy old bat and they say the young of today are lazy!
I think you got the wrong end of the stick with regards to my comments, it is always hard to understand the tone of a comment on a forum; I was just pointing out that these volumes are not the norm. Hence why I said people shouldn't get to excited about these volumes being the norm. Not that you shouldn't get excited about your good win.
So well done on your win. Thankfully Kempton is going well today to make up for my dismal efforts yesterday.
Here in Luxembourg, it is your legal obligation to clear the snow on the public footpath in front of your house. If not you can be sued should someone slip and fall. It is crazy, the result is the hospitals are full of old buggers who have broken their amrs or had heart attacks trying to clear the snow. Those who do manage to clear it, do it so badly the pavement is more dangerous than if it had not been touched.
It's a mad mad mad world.
Ludicrously good start for me in running at Kempton as well. I better pop out and buy a lottery ticket. This luck won't last for long.
It's a mad mad mad world.
Ludicrously good start for me in running at Kempton as well. I better pop out and buy a lottery ticket. This luck won't last for long.
It's reassuring to know that the Big Society isn't a total myth!andyfuller wrote:Nah nice lie in today then did my 'Big society' deed of clearing the paths and pavements of the snow for the old people around us.
I'm shocked and appalled! LOL!andyfuller wrote: I always thought neighbours are meant to look out for each other in this weather. But the 89 year old woman who lives next door to me hasnt once been round to see me.
I take it you've checked that this is due to laziness, and not because she's unable to do so?andyfuller wrote:And she hasn't even bothered to bring her milk in over the last 5 days.
Same here. By pointing out that US races sometimes start early, I wasn't trying to be negative. I was just trying to make a helpful observation.andyfuller wrote:I think you got the wrong end of the stick with regards to my comments.
Jeff
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Good example tonight of why the yanks aren't that great to trade.
4 meetings on that ATR could show; Woodbine, Finger Lakes, Hawthorne and Aqueduct.
Unfortunately the first 3 are all going off within a minute or so of each other so you are down to effectively 2 meetings being shown. You get a set of three races off then about 17 minutes to Aqueduct then 6 minutes until the next batch of 3 go off.
Just looked at the 3 races going off at the same time and off totals matched were;
£22,460 Finger Lakes
£13,777 Woodbine
£17,887 Hawthorne - The track ATR was showing live.
Not exactly great but if using small stakes I guess okay but you would struggle to get a decent order through the markets.
4 meetings on that ATR could show; Woodbine, Finger Lakes, Hawthorne and Aqueduct.
Unfortunately the first 3 are all going off within a minute or so of each other so you are down to effectively 2 meetings being shown. You get a set of three races off then about 17 minutes to Aqueduct then 6 minutes until the next batch of 3 go off.
Just looked at the 3 races going off at the same time and off totals matched were;
£22,460 Finger Lakes
£13,777 Woodbine
£17,887 Hawthorne - The track ATR was showing live.
Not exactly great but if using small stakes I guess okay but you would struggle to get a decent order through the markets.
hi Andy,
I always wondered how to work with USA and AUS races, but there are many problems including the volumes. I set up a system with exel worksheets that work on live races(GB and IRA) and utilise odds, stakes, race start signals etc.. but above all the odds trigger the firing of the bets.
Well all this is impossible with USA and AUS races where one doesn't know when the race is off or who won it because the odds don't move much, suddenly the "suspended" sign appears and all is over... could it be that races always start sharp on time and the horse that has the lowest odds has won? Even if it's 4 or 5?
Thanks for any advice
Ennio
I always wondered how to work with USA and AUS races, but there are many problems including the volumes. I set up a system with exel worksheets that work on live races(GB and IRA) and utilise odds, stakes, race start signals etc.. but above all the odds trigger the firing of the bets.
Well all this is impossible with USA and AUS races where one doesn't know when the race is off or who won it because the odds don't move much, suddenly the "suspended" sign appears and all is over... could it be that races always start sharp on time and the horse that has the lowest odds has won? Even if it's 4 or 5?
Thanks for any advice
Ennio