Ghracesoft - anyone used it?

[Fugazi]

Ghracesoft.co.uk

I have no affiliation lol.

Blokes been posting Youtube videos for over ten years. Not a single review of his website anywhere? At a glance the website looks like its 2005.

BUT

A part of me thinks...

What if this thing is really good and just terribly marketed ? My personal suspicion is the whole thing is just a bunch of backfitting and ideas that take you 5 years to realise they suck. Most the videos weren't worth a click.

What may have some value though is the racecard ? I wonder if the model he's using is any good for spotting false favourites

[wearthefoxhat]

Haven't used it, but have met Malcolm Pett. He's a stand up guy and made more of a splash around 7-10 years ago.

He hasn't marketed much new stuff recently, maybe the odd you-tube video that pops up.

He created a greyhound bot (greybot) that can be adapted and he has something called PR Ratings that looks quite good, but has, maybe, been over complicated for input purposes.

Not sure the price tags are worth it TBH. The prices haven't changed over the years and we're more than capable of putting something together ourselves with the freely available data on all the usual websites.

[sionascaig]

...My personal suspicion is the whole thing is just a bunch of backfitting and ideas....

Someone showed me PR Ratings a while a go...

From what I remember it allowed you to quickly set up a scenario (horse racing) and see if it was profitable on a monthly basis over the last x years..

==> so yes, could / would lead you down the path of backfitting

There also seemed to be a "vast" number of scenario's already set up that you could play with which was in itself quite interesting in that you could see other idea's that people have been pursuing.

If you don't have the data and want to play around maybe worth it as it seems you just pay one monthly fee, cancel but still have access.

(the person that showed me had a lot of fun with it - so certainly got monies worth - and had series of wins that got him banned / 50p bet limits on bookie accounts... but certainly did not find any long term pot of gold)

[Fugazi]

...My personal suspicion is the whole thing is just a bunch of backfitting and ideas....

Someone showed me PR Ratings a while a go...

From what I remember it allowed you to quickly set up a scenario (horse racing) and see if it was profitable on a monthly basis over the last x years..

==> so yes, could / would lead you down the path of backfitting

There also seemed to be a "vast" number of scenario's already set up that you could play with which was in itself quite interesting in that you could see other idea's that people have been pursuing.

If you don't have the data and want to play around maybe worth it as it seems you just pay one monthly fee, cancel but still have access.

(the person that showed me had a lot of fun with it - so certainly got monies worth - and had series of wins that got him banned / 50p bet limits on bookie accounts... but certainly did not find any long term pot of gold)

Well I had my own model that needed just a bit more work but I was getting annoyed at the scraper constantly breaking and a few other things so thought maybe I can make this software work and save myself the time . I've taken a punt on it maybe I can get it working comparing its favourite with Timeforms and seeing bog discrepancies. Not too dissimilar to what Archery used to do on here few years back before changing his method

[Fugazi]

Haven't used it, but have met Malcolm Pett. He's a stand up guy and made more of a splash around 7-10 years ago.

He hasn't marketed much new stuff recently, maybe the odd you-tube video that pops up.

He created a greyhound bot (greybot) that can be adapted and he has something called PR Ratings that looks quite good, but has, maybe, been over complicated for input purposes.

Not sure the price tags are worth it TBH. The prices haven't changed over the years and we're more than capable of putting something together ourselves with the freely available data on all the usual websites.

Interesting - how did you meet him? Certainly does seem he has just added and added to the site and software.. needs a declutter and new interface to attract a new crowd!

Still baffled 10+ years and not a single mention him on the internet

[Euler]

It so simple.

1. Your select the race.
2. You check the race meets 3 points of criteria (Fully explained in the members area)
3. You sort the card by the "Score Column"
4. Check that lowest score runner meets the criteria.

It’s repeatable and works.

I'm just not a believer in pre--prepared, set and forget, or follow this type systems.

Most of us work hard to find an edge in the market and to keep that edge. If you find something you can automate, it's gold mine.

You just don't go out and sell it, unless that's worth more than the system, which probably doesn't work. Q.E.D.

[Fugazi]

It so simple.

1. Your select the race.
2. You check the race meets 3 points of criteria (Fully explained in the members area)
3. You sort the card by the "Score Column"
4. Check that lowest score runner meets the criteria.

It’s repeatable and works.

I'm just not a believer in pre--prepared, set and forget, or follow this type systems.

Most of us work hard to find an edge in the market and to keep that edge. If you find something you can automate, it's gold mine.

You just don't go out and sell it, unless that's worth more than the system, which probably doesn't work. Q.E.D.

Yeah I wasn't believing that for a second. Unless it woks only at very small liquidity and therefore more profitable to sell the method for subscription fees

My thoughts though are that I may find use for the race card if I combine it with BA. I.e enter markets at the 5-10 minute market and get some value

[Anbell]

It so simple.

1. Your select the race.
2. You check the race meets 3 points of criteria (Fully explained in the members area)
3. You sort the card by the "Score Column"
4. Check that lowest score runner meets the criteria.

It’s repeatable and works.

I'm just not a believer in pre--prepared, set and forget, or follow this type systems.

Most of us work hard to find an edge in the market and to keep that edge. If you find something you can automate, it's gold mine.

You just don't go out and sell it, unless that's worth more than the system, which probably doesn't work. Q.E.D.

Yeah I wasn't believing that for a second. Unless it woks only at very small liquidity and therefore more profitable to sell the method for subscription fees

My thoughts though are that I may find use for the race card if I combine it with BA. I.e enter markets at the 5-10 minute market and get some value

You can get a race card from a million places. Why do you think this one might be valuable?

[Fugazi]

I'm just not a believer in pre--prepared, set and forget, or follow this type systems.

Most of us work hard to find an edge in the market and to keep that edge. If you find something you can automate, it's gold mine.

You just don't go out and sell it, unless that's worth more than the system, which probably doesn't work. Q.E.D.

Yeah I wasn't believing that for a second. Unless it woks only at very small liquidity and therefore more profitable to sell the method for subscription fees

My thoughts though are that I may find use for the race card if I combine it with BA. I.e enter markets at the 5-10 minute market and get some value

You can get a race card from a million places. Why do you think this one might be valuable?

Using his "predicted odds" to rank the dogs.

If sufficient people are using them, I can actually use a counter strategy early market and pick people off. Or if they are really good then just use it for its intended use of spotting false favourites

Sure I can make my own but I was finding it so time consuming keeping a scraper working and scraping / running the model daily. Couldnt get the data granular enough either for my liking needed too much computer power to add in owners and trainers to my other data

[Anbell]

Yeah I wasn't believing that for a second. Unless it woks only at very small liquidity and therefore more profitable to sell the method for subscription fees

My thoughts though are that I may find use for the race card if I combine it with BA. I.e enter markets at the 5-10 minute market and get some value

You can get a race card from a million places. Why do you think this one might be valuable?

Using his "predicted odds" to rank the dogs.

If sufficient people are using them, I can actually use a counter strategy early market and pick people off. Or if they are really good then just use it for its intended use of spotting false favourites

Sure I can make my own but I was finding it so time consuming keeping a scraper working and scraping / running the model daily. Couldnt get the data granular enough either for my liking needed too much computer power to add in owners and trainers to my other data

I might be misunderstanding something but I think you said that you are amazed that nobody has ever mentioned this person in the history of the internet but you want to run a counterstrategy against their picks?

[Kai]

No doubt there is useful stuff out there

But ultimately a tool is only as sharp as its user

[sniffer66]

I don't use Malcolms products but I joined his FB group out of curiosity ages ago. It's my understanding he's not selling system but scraped data and his own coded insights into how they could be used - he adds in his own metrics based on what his code has scraped. Users of the data can then use his code to backtest "systems" to see if profitable and share them. How much of that is purely backfitting, I don't know

He's quite good on staking, compounding etc, with no big claims on whether you can make £££'s following his stuff. He's really a data provider and from what I know a decent programmer and a pretty sound guy

[Euler]

Happy to yield to the other forum members on this, as I don't have any direct experience of it or the guy that created it.

[weemac]

Sounds a bit like PatternForm - the owner/creator doesn't put himself about, but I'd guess users enjoy creating systems using his database for a tenner a month. Like many other similar sites, it used to be free.....

[Fugazi]

You can get a race card from a million places. Why do you think this one might be valuable?

Using his "predicted odds" to rank the dogs.

If sufficient people are using them, I can actually use a counter strategy early market and pick people off. Or if they are really good then just use it for its intended use of spotting false favourites

Sure I can make my own but I was finding it so time consuming keeping a scraper working and scraping / running the model daily. Couldnt get the data granular enough either for my liking needed too much computer power to add in owners and trainers to my other data

I might be misunderstanding something but I think you said that you are amazed that nobody has ever mentioned this person in the history of the internet but you want to run a counterstrategy against their picks?

Amazed that someone in this niche has had a website and youtube channel for so long and nobody has posted a review of them or even mentioned them anywhere bad or good

I didnt mean it in the sense they are some guru with an amazing pot of gold that I would expect someone to have heard of