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Following an investigation into suspicious betting activity on a number of races, the British Horseracing Authority has charged 13 individuals with serious breaches of the Rules of Racing. The allegations focus on horses being laid to lose on betting exchanges in 10 races that took place between 17 January 2009 and 15 August 2009.
Registered owners Maurice Sines and James Crickmore, licensed jockeys Paul Doe, Greg Fairley, Paul Fitzsimons (no longer a jockey but now a licensed trainer), Kirsty Milczarek and Jimmy Quinn, and 6 others – Peter Gold, Nick Gold, Shaun Harris, David Kendrick, Darren May and Liam Vasey – have all been charged with a breach of Rule 201(v) of the old Rules of Racing in that it is alleged they conspired to commit a corrupt or fraudulent practice.
All of the individuals except the jockeys are alternatively/additionally charged with a breach of Rule 220(ix) of the old Rules of Racing in that it is alleged that they caused the jockey in the race to act in breach of Rule 243 by communicating to him directly or indirectly, at his request and for material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind, Inside Information in relation to the named horse.
Each of the jockeys is additionally charged with a breach of Rule 243 of the old Rules of Racing in that it is alleged they communicated directly or indirectly to one or more betting exchange account holders, for material reward, gift, favour or benefit in kind, information relating to the prospects of the named horse as follows:
Paul Doe – Races 4, 5, 6, 7 & 8
Greg Fairley – Races 5, 6, 8 & 9
Paul Fitzsimons – Race 3
Kirsty Milczarek – Race 10
Jimmy Quinn – Races 1 & 2
Two owners, five jockeys and six others charged
I hope they invstigate Zebrano at Ripon 5:10 on Sunday.
The horse drifted from 4s to 7s before the start, it then came out of the stalls in slow motion and went so badly/was held up in the first furlong it had no chance.
Perhaps just a coincidence.
How much does a flat/jump Jockey get paid per race?
The horse drifted from 4s to 7s before the start, it then came out of the stalls in slow motion and went so badly/was held up in the first furlong it had no chance.
Perhaps just a coincidence.
How much does a flat/jump Jockey get paid per race?
It may have been that the horse drifted not because of any corruption, but because the market knew the horse would run a bad race (perhaps it hadn't fully recovered from a previous injury, for example).
Jeff
Jeff
sweetybt wrote:I hope they invstigate Zebrano at Ripon 5:10 on Sunday.
The horse drifted from 4s to 7s before the start, it then came out of the stalls in slow motion and went so badly/was held up in the first furlong it had no chance.
Perhaps just a coincidence.
How much does a flat/jump Jockey get paid per race?
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JollyGreen
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Whilst I agree it could be something other than corruption, not fully recovering from an injury would not be one of the reasons. A horse would have to be fully recovered to run or it would not pass the vet and also it could cause itself further injury.
It could be that he was sweating early on, maybe wasn't fully fit (different to being injured) etc. You would only see that at the course and I know many people who go to the course with their tablet PCs and iPads just to paddock watch and lay the donkeys....so to speak!
The concern to me is the slow exit from the stalls as that shouldn't happen no matter what the state of the horse is. That is usually a sign that they are possibly taking things easy and waiting for a better opportunity. The excuse they roll out time and time again is "we missed the break and then there was no point in punishing the horse". It happens everyday but some are more noticeable than others.
It could be that he was sweating early on, maybe wasn't fully fit (different to being injured) etc. You would only see that at the course and I know many people who go to the course with their tablet PCs and iPads just to paddock watch and lay the donkeys....so to speak!
The concern to me is the slow exit from the stalls as that shouldn't happen no matter what the state of the horse is. That is usually a sign that they are possibly taking things easy and waiting for a better opportunity. The excuse they roll out time and time again is "we missed the break and then there was no point in punishing the horse". It happens everyday but some are more noticeable than others.
When a horse drifts strongly, it is usually market over-reaction or the result of momentum traders, or does the market generally get it about right?
Jeff
Jeff
JollyGreen wrote: It could be that he was sweating early on, maybe wasn't fully fit (different to being injured) etc. You would only see that at the course and I know many people who go to the course with their tablet PCs and iPads just to paddock watch and lay the donkeys....so to speak!
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Jeff
If a horse drifts it could be for a number of reasons.
1. Horse looks unfit, sweats or doesn't move well to post
2. Horse misbehaves in the prelims or on the way to the post
3. Connections mention the horse in a negative way
4. Strong support for another runner
5. Lack of support for the horse - nobody backing it will mean a drifting price as no confidence is being shown.
6. Horse is unlikely to get the trip or act on the ground etc. The form students will then force a drift.
There are probably more too but that is enough.
The "market" always gets it right as it only does what the money tells it to do. If a horse drifts and then wins or if it steams and then loses it doesn't mean the market was wrong it just means the horse didn't live up to expectations.
If a horse drifts it could be for a number of reasons.
1. Horse looks unfit, sweats or doesn't move well to post
2. Horse misbehaves in the prelims or on the way to the post
3. Connections mention the horse in a negative way
4. Strong support for another runner
5. Lack of support for the horse - nobody backing it will mean a drifting price as no confidence is being shown.
6. Horse is unlikely to get the trip or act on the ground etc. The form students will then force a drift.
There are probably more too but that is enough.
The "market" always gets it right as it only does what the money tells it to do. If a horse drifts and then wins or if it steams and then loses it doesn't mean the market was wrong it just means the horse didn't live up to expectations.
Thanks Dave - I appreciate that.
What I mean is 'Does the market apply the correct weighting to news?'. For example, if a horse is sweating, and that decreases its chances of winning by 5%, will the odds react accordingly? Or will the market overestimate the significance of the news, acting as if the horse's chances were (say) 10% lower?
Jeff
What I mean is 'Does the market apply the correct weighting to news?'. For example, if a horse is sweating, and that decreases its chances of winning by 5%, will the odds react accordingly? Or will the market overestimate the significance of the news, acting as if the horse's chances were (say) 10% lower?
Jeff
JollyGreen wrote: The "market" always gets it right as it only does what the money tells it to do. If a horse drifts and then wins or if it steams and then loses it doesn't mean the market was wrong it just means the horse didn't live up to expectations.
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JollyGreen
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You can't calculate it in percentage terms but suffice it to say punters are a fickle bunch. If a horse shows any negative traits punters will abandon ship and the price can run away at an alarming rate
Hi Folks
with regard to Jockeys wages
These are the Gross amounts
Flat riding fee rises pounds 2.55 to pounds 109.10,
jump jockeys receive for each mount goes up pounds 3.50 to pounds 148.95.
BRITAIN'S jockeys have accepted a belowinflation pay rise of two per cent for 2011 after reaching agreement with the Racehorse Owners' Association, writes Graham Green.
To avoid the administrative nightmare of back-dating the deal to January 1, the increase has been spread over the 12-month period, so riding fees will go up by 2.4 per cent once ratified by the BHA.
The award means the Flat riding fee rises pounds 2.55 to pounds 109.10, while the sum jump jockeys receive for each mount goes up pounds 3.50 to pounds 148.95.
Pay negotiations were reopened at the end of January after the scheme that entitled jockeys to half a riding fee when a horse for which they were declared was a non-runner was axed.
The decision to terminate that deal, championed by the Professional Jockeys' Association and agreed with the ROA in lieu of a pay increase, became inevitable as increasing numbers of riders succumbed to pressure from trainers to opt out.
The revolt was led by Richard Fahey, and other trainers quickly rallied to the cause, arguing that passing on the additional charge to owners was unfair when the industry was in crisis.
with regard to Jockeys wages
These are the Gross amounts
Flat riding fee rises pounds 2.55 to pounds 109.10,
jump jockeys receive for each mount goes up pounds 3.50 to pounds 148.95.
BRITAIN'S jockeys have accepted a belowinflation pay rise of two per cent for 2011 after reaching agreement with the Racehorse Owners' Association, writes Graham Green.
To avoid the administrative nightmare of back-dating the deal to January 1, the increase has been spread over the 12-month period, so riding fees will go up by 2.4 per cent once ratified by the BHA.
The award means the Flat riding fee rises pounds 2.55 to pounds 109.10, while the sum jump jockeys receive for each mount goes up pounds 3.50 to pounds 148.95.
Pay negotiations were reopened at the end of January after the scheme that entitled jockeys to half a riding fee when a horse for which they were declared was a non-runner was axed.
The decision to terminate that deal, championed by the Professional Jockeys' Association and agreed with the ROA in lieu of a pay increase, became inevitable as increasing numbers of riders succumbed to pressure from trainers to opt out.
The revolt was led by Richard Fahey, and other trainers quickly rallied to the cause, arguing that passing on the additional charge to owners was unfair when the industry was in crisis.
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I know my opinion will worth little compare to all the UK horse racing supporters but, I have to say that sometimes for me is like watching american wrestling..Only 2 jockeys are capable to change my mind about the corruption in Uk horse racing...
AP. Mccoy and Franky dettori
AP. Mccoy and Franky dettori
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JollyGreen
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Enzabella
Your opinion counts just as much as anyone on here. There has been "corruption" in racing since its inception. I use the term "corruption" loosely because there are varying degrees.
The problems we hear about now are nothing new but the exchanges have opened up other avenues. Does anyone else remember the furore about Graham Bradley seen in his silks placing a bet at Wetherby. He was then investigated for allegedly fixing a 3 EDIT: Just remembered it was a 2 runner race where he allegedly "stepped off" the favourite. The charges were later dropped.
The BHA in all its guises has been inept over the years at stopping this in my opinion and it is only now in the age of social media and technology that they are being shown as inept to the extent that they have to be seen as doing something about it.
Your opinion counts just as much as anyone on here. There has been "corruption" in racing since its inception. I use the term "corruption" loosely because there are varying degrees.
The problems we hear about now are nothing new but the exchanges have opened up other avenues. Does anyone else remember the furore about Graham Bradley seen in his silks placing a bet at Wetherby. He was then investigated for allegedly fixing a 3 EDIT: Just remembered it was a 2 runner race where he allegedly "stepped off" the favourite. The charges were later dropped.
The BHA in all its guises has been inept over the years at stopping this in my opinion and it is only now in the age of social media and technology that they are being shown as inept to the extent that they have to be seen as doing something about it.
Let's say you've got 6 races in an evening card at Kempton.
The jockey would receive the best part of £700 for an evening's work, and presumably most jockeys can work 7 days a week.
OK, there are hotel expenses, travel costs, etc, and jockeys can only carry on in the profession for so long before age catches up with them. But even so, I think they'd struggle to convince the guy who's on 25K a year and struggling to pay his bills that they're poorly paid!
J
The jockey would receive the best part of £700 for an evening's work, and presumably most jockeys can work 7 days a week.
OK, there are hotel expenses, travel costs, etc, and jockeys can only carry on in the profession for so long before age catches up with them. But even so, I think they'd struggle to convince the guy who's on 25K a year and struggling to pay his bills that they're poorly paid!
J
Dobbin wrote: Flat riding fee rises pounds 2.55 to pounds 109.10,
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the trouble is Jeff they can get offered many times more than they can earn. Some people can make huge sums if they get the correct information so the temptation can be hard to resist.
There is a real lack of money in racing and IMHO that is why some have strayed from the far rail to the near side rail....so to speak
There is a real lack of money in racing and IMHO that is why some have strayed from the far rail to the near side rail....so to speak
Ferru123 wrote:Let's say you've got 6 races in an evening card at Kempton.
The jockey would receive the best part of £700 for an evening's work, and presumably most jockeys can work 7 days a week.
OK, there are hotel expenses, travel costs, etc, and jockeys can only carry on in the profession for so long before age catches up with them. But even so, I think they'd struggle to convince the guy who's on 25K a year and struggling to pay his bills that they're poorly paid!
J
Dobbin wrote: Flat riding fee rises pounds 2.55 to pounds 109.10,
Hi Ferru
It is not as Much as that
the average number of rides undertaken by a full professional jockey was 380/year
so £38k less Agents fees and expenses
Dobbin