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grigsy
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I know Peter has mentioned it a few times in various threads but, living in Australia and having just made the switch to Mac, the use of RDC to access the London-based VPS is somewhat unsatisfactory and an Australian one is needed urgently.

My response speed seems to hovver between 370 and 420, with sound alerts stuttering so badly that the race is sometimes over before Peter is done announcing it has gone in-play.

Given we pay the same price as those in the UK who experience maximum performance, we in Oz seem to be getting rather an inferior product.

Alternatively, Bet Angel for Mac would be simply wonderful. :!:
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JollyGreen
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Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:06 am

Hi Grigsy

The one problem is that a data request from Oz may be rerouted by Betfair.....it used to be via Malta then back to the main servers. That would just add even more delay. Now that Betfair has moved its main data centre they may use different methods.

The problems you describe do seem more likely to be caused by your local connection rather than the VPS issue. I do appreciate you need to get a signal half way round the world as the crow flies :D but it should not be that bad.

Try running these tests and posting the results. After each test it gives a "Share these results" option and you can post a URL. It could be a router/ISP issue that is contributing to the issue.

First test site is Speedtest

Second test site is Pingtest
Rastis
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Joined: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:15 pm

Hi Grigsy,

I don't want to digress from your original thread, however, I've got to ask the question. I am about to move to Oz from the UK and I am wondering what options I have for trading In-Play.

How could i get around the Oz gambling limitations?

Cheers

Rog
bilko
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Joined: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:56 pm

Hi Grigsy

I feel your pain mate live in Northern Ireland and get 100 to 150 which make the charts redundant and the price jumps 10+ clicks in a blink of an eye before got 60 to 70.

Have just come back to BA as I feel it is the best API software out there.

Also I have been trading for over 3 years and feel that the game is more setup now for bots (excel) setting on the VPS then people trading manually.

Good luck
grigsy
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Joined: Wed May 27, 2009 12:47 pm

JollyGreen wrote: Try running these tests and posting the results. After each test it gives a "Share these results" option and you can post a URL. It could be a router/ISP issue that is contributing to the issue.
Was downloading at around 1.22 mbs the other day when I first installed the Mac and new modem/router. Seems to have dropped since then, but it's still almost double what I was getting with my old PC which, up until the last month or two, ran BA with few problems.

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1306691417.png

There's no doubt my speed results as poor, but Tony from BA support told me there are issues:

"The response speed should be about 30ms for UK markets. For Australian markets you will see a much longer response time as the server is in London.

We have not sourced an Australian VPS provider as of yet. We need an established and reliable partner but have yet to find one."
grigsy
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Rastis wrote:I am about to move to Oz from the UK and I am wondering what options I have for trading In-Play.
Hi Rog. Assuming you mean other than horse-racing and the answer is forget it, or get used to using the phone (phone is allowed, internet is not).

Betfair Aus recognises your Australian address and will not let you do it. They are also very big on banning anyone they find breaking the rules (including using BA to place bets below the $5 minimum).

If you are hoping to find a way to bend or break the rules, my advice is to tread very carefully.
rubysglory
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Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:02 am

Grigsy - in worldly term's Australian broadband speeds are pedestrian by nature. The costs to provide any type of service Australia Wide is huge given the land mass, hence a lack of private investment in this area. 3G is not even an opton in some areas. Where I live there is no 3G and the telephone exchange is capable of a maximum speed of 1.50 Mbps. The new NBN preject is supposed to address this.

Rastis - Sorry m8 ! If you are being routed off an Australian ISP your will be blocked on most In-Play betting options - Horse Racing being the exception.

rg
Rastis
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Thanks for the help Gents. a bit bloody dissappointing though!!

I don't quite understand their logic re limiting In-Play trading. If they want to advocate responsible gambling how about reducing the number of poker machines in the country - now that is gambling...

Thanks and all the best.

Rog
grigsy
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The legislation was brought in to cover micro-betting over the net but was written in terms of interactive (aka 'live' (aka 'in-play)) prevention. It was never its intention to cover in-play trading as it was written long before Betfair Aus came to town.

However, once legislation is written, it is very hard to un-write, particularly when it refers to political hot potatoes such as gambling. Legislation is only likely to get tougher.

The Productivity Commission raised this issue last year. Unfortunately, their recommendations did not centre on changing this, but instead they wanted the govt to ditch the legislation in its entirety, moving from prohibition to regulation. This, of course, stirred protection groups to their highest levels and every political party and independent senator rejected it.

From what I can gather, the matter appears now to be off the table. The laws still allow us to bet in-play over the phone but not the net and, ludicrous as that is, it looks like it will stand as nobody is prepared to stick their necks out to get it changed, not for something as inconsequential as trading.

Anyway, rant over.
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