http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danie ... um=twitter
Hits the nail on the head IMHO...
Jeff
Free speech is in retreat throughout the West
I've become increasingly angry at the PC world we live in, so much so, I'm happy to admit I voted BNP at the last European Elections. Political correctness is supposed to bring barriers of racism down, by making discrimination of minorities an offence. However, it's gone too far and is having the opposite effect, because it's actually increasing racist behaviour due to the masses being discriminated against. Being denied their right to a free speech though is the biggest crime of all, that goes against the principle of living in a democracy
I agree.
And on the topic of political correctness, I've never understood the concept of hate crime.
Thug punches someone in the face because he looks like a student = Not a hate crime
Thug punches someone in the face because he's just exited a gay bar = Hate crime
Doesn't make a lot of sense...
To my mind, both crimes are equally wrong...
Jeff
And on the topic of political correctness, I've never understood the concept of hate crime.
Thug punches someone in the face because he looks like a student = Not a hate crime
Thug punches someone in the face because he's just exited a gay bar = Hate crime
Doesn't make a lot of sense...
To my mind, both crimes are equally wrong...Jeff
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I'm happy to admit that I've also voted BNP in the past - as a protest vote against the fascists in the mainstream media who think they can decide what is an "unacceptable" or "inappropriate" view.LeTiss 4pm wrote:I've become increasingly angry at the PC world we live in, so much so, I'm happy to admit I voted BNP at the last European Elections.
Personally I find mass immigration unacceptable, but that's just my opinion (which I should be entitled to in a 'free' society).
sadly we are all responsible for this happening. we have all allowed this happen and as become the norm. i come from a irish family. every year i celebrate st patricks day in england (occasionally in ireland ); ever since i can remember all my family did and still do. sadly in my lifetime about every 4 or 5 years i celebrate st georges day, but no where near to the level of st pats day. why? the older i get the more it annoys me im english after all not irish, but being english and expressing or celebrating being english appears to be something a bit dodgy in england of all places.
Hi Tony
That might partly explain why the England football players totally lack passion when they're playing for their country, almost as if they treat it as work rather than a privilege.
You've got an so-called elite running this country, whose Guardian values bear little resemblance to those of the average person in the street. The contempt in which they hold the public was demonstrated yesterday, when MPs chose to delay debates into a couple of successful e-petitions (Hillsborough and denying rioters benefits).
And we don't really have much of a democracy any more, when there's naff all difference between the main parties on non-economic issues. You've basically got a choice between political correctness and, er, political correctness...
Jeff
That might partly explain why the England football players totally lack passion when they're playing for their country, almost as if they treat it as work rather than a privilege.
You've got an so-called elite running this country, whose Guardian values bear little resemblance to those of the average person in the street. The contempt in which they hold the public was demonstrated yesterday, when MPs chose to delay debates into a couple of successful e-petitions (Hillsborough and denying rioters benefits).
And we don't really have much of a democracy any more, when there's naff all difference between the main parties on non-economic issues. You've basically got a choice between political correctness and, er, political correctness...
Jeff
Internet bigot Stephen Birrell jailed for eight months - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-g ... t-15333744
Unbelievable!
Since when does posting inflammatory messages about a rival football team merit an 8 month prison sentence?!?
And the BBC's headline tells you what they think about the sentence. Political impartiality my a***!
Peter Sissons exposed the BBC's liberal bias in this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssons.html
Jeff
Unbelievable!
Since when does posting inflammatory messages about a rival football team merit an 8 month prison sentence?!?
And the BBC's headline tells you what they think about the sentence. Political impartiality my a***!
Peter Sissons exposed the BBC's liberal bias in this article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ssons.html
Jeff
Golly doll race charges against Jena Mason dropped - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-15429369
FFS!
Police complain about cutbacks, and then they waste money investigating this nonsense!
In more enlightened times, they'd have threatened to arrest the person making the complaint for wasting police time!
Jeff
FFS!
Police complain about cutbacks, and then they waste money investigating this nonsense!
In more enlightened times, they'd have threatened to arrest the person making the complaint for wasting police time!
Jeff
Funny how complaints about a lack of free speech and political correctness almost always refers to the ability to insult people of a different colour.
And most of those 'immigrants' came from countries we colonised in the first place, inviting them here when we were short of labour.
What goes around comes around.
And most of those 'immigrants' came from countries we colonised in the first place, inviting them here when we were short of labour.
What goes around comes around.
From http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... udice.html:
I remembered my conversation again when I read about Adrian Smith, a manager for a housing trust, punished severely by his employers – to the tune of a cut of £14,000 in his salary – because in the course of a private conversation on his Facebook page, he’d written – calmly, politely – that he could not support gay marriage. I don’t happen to agree with Mr Smith, but our theoretical disagreement pales into insignificance compared to the bullying retribution enacted on him by his employer, for the audacity of expressing a perfectly reasonable view. One of his employers said, “The Trust has an equal opportunities policy.” Case closed. Those equal opportunities policies exist to smooth away our rough edges, and Mr Smith will just have to take the smoothing with the rough.
Jeff
I remembered my conversation again when I read about Adrian Smith, a manager for a housing trust, punished severely by his employers – to the tune of a cut of £14,000 in his salary – because in the course of a private conversation on his Facebook page, he’d written – calmly, politely – that he could not support gay marriage. I don’t happen to agree with Mr Smith, but our theoretical disagreement pales into insignificance compared to the bullying retribution enacted on him by his employer, for the audacity of expressing a perfectly reasonable view. One of his employers said, “The Trust has an equal opportunities policy.” Case closed. Those equal opportunities policies exist to smooth away our rough edges, and Mr Smith will just have to take the smoothing with the rough.
Jeff
EDL arrests: 170 supporters held near Cenotaph in London - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-15697632
Police said the arrests were made to "prevent a breach of the peace".
These guys weren't arrested for breaking the law or even for conspiring to break the law. They were arrested because they might have broken the law!
All they wanted to do was pay their respects to the country's fallen soldiers!
Jeff
Police said the arrests were made to "prevent a breach of the peace".
These guys weren't arrested for breaking the law or even for conspiring to break the law. They were arrested because they might have broken the law!
All they wanted to do was pay their respects to the country's fallen soldiers!
Jeff
not so sure jeff.
hate to say it but i think the old bill were probably correct in that the edl are not exactly without an agenda, and would probably relish a clash with a bunch of radical muslims who had previously stated they were going to demonstrate at the cenotaph.
the police do have a duty to attempt to prevent a highly probable breech of the peace, not just stop one once it as occurred.
i dont believe for one second that the edl's sole purpose (if that was their purpose) in going to the cenotaph was to pay respect to the nations war dead. i believe that this sunday is the official day when the nation, state, armed forces, royals, various churches, x service personnel etc pay their respects to the war dead at the cenotaph, and i doubt if they would be welcome there by anyone, (or any other dubious group of people). that is the day they as an organisation they should go to pay their respects, and only their respects no hidden agendas or demonstrations.
hate to say it but i think the old bill were probably correct in that the edl are not exactly without an agenda, and would probably relish a clash with a bunch of radical muslims who had previously stated they were going to demonstrate at the cenotaph.
the police do have a duty to attempt to prevent a highly probable breech of the peace, not just stop one once it as occurred.
i dont believe for one second that the edl's sole purpose (if that was their purpose) in going to the cenotaph was to pay respect to the nations war dead. i believe that this sunday is the official day when the nation, state, armed forces, royals, various churches, x service personnel etc pay their respects to the war dead at the cenotaph, and i doubt if they would be welcome there by anyone, (or any other dubious group of people). that is the day they as an organisation they should go to pay their respects, and only their respects no hidden agendas or demonstrations.
The radical muslim group concerned had already been disbanded by the home secretary, so I don't think there was much chance of anything happening.
But there's also a civil liberties issue here. If someone breaks the law then fine, arrest them. But in a free society, the police shouldn't be able to arrest someone because they might commit an offence!
And there's an issue of freedom of expression too. IMHO, people should have the right to voice their opinions peacefully, however unpleasant those opinions might be...
Jeff
But there's also a civil liberties issue here. If someone breaks the law then fine, arrest them. But in a free society, the police shouldn't be able to arrest someone because they might commit an offence!
And there's an issue of freedom of expression too. IMHO, people should have the right to voice their opinions peacefully, however unpleasant those opinions might be...
Jeff
yeah i agree up to a point.
if they wish to be treated as serious political group or the voice of the normal average englishman, then they be their sunday, remembrance sunday.
agree with civil liberties thing but, your not talking about a few individuals, your talking a large group of people who happened to descend/collect in the nearest pub to the house of commons which is used by many mps and their staffs etc. given the edl,s history of holding peaceful demonstrations that end up anything but peaceful,the police were always going break them up and or arrest them. as i have said the police have a duty to prevent a breech of the peace if there is a high chance of one occurring, coupled with the chance of the odd mp might get caught up in it,there was no way the police were not going to arrest them.
sadly freedom of expression is only freedom of expression if it complies with what the political correct powers say is acceptable freedom of expression.
any utterance that does not conform to their views obviously is discriminatory, offensive, homophobic, racist, sexist, bigoted, anti european parliament, little englander, small minded, dangerous bilge.
I always thought you knew that jeff.
if they wish to be treated as serious political group or the voice of the normal average englishman, then they be their sunday, remembrance sunday.
agree with civil liberties thing but, your not talking about a few individuals, your talking a large group of people who happened to descend/collect in the nearest pub to the house of commons which is used by many mps and their staffs etc. given the edl,s history of holding peaceful demonstrations that end up anything but peaceful,the police were always going break them up and or arrest them. as i have said the police have a duty to prevent a breech of the peace if there is a high chance of one occurring, coupled with the chance of the odd mp might get caught up in it,there was no way the police were not going to arrest them.
sadly freedom of expression is only freedom of expression if it complies with what the political correct powers say is acceptable freedom of expression.
any utterance that does not conform to their views obviously is discriminatory, offensive, homophobic, racist, sexist, bigoted, anti european parliament, little englander, small minded, dangerous bilge.
I always thought you knew that jeff.
Yep - Liberalism is very tolerant, except when it comes to illiberal views...
Jeff
Jeff
to75ne wrote: sadly freedom of expression is only freedom of expression if it complies with what the political correct powers say is acceptable freedom of expression.
any utterance that does not conform to their views obviously is discriminatory, offensive, homophobic, racist, sexist, bigoted, anti european parliament, little englander, small minded, dangerous bilge.
I always thought you knew that jeff.