Greening up functions

[mikelenard]

I have lost £250 over the last 3 days so I have resorted to asking the question here with regards to greening up in the new automation tool.

I am manually placing a horse racing back bet early in the morning. Then, when the race goes in-play I want to be taking 50% profit. If the odds shorten enough before the race begins I will take the 50% profit then (anytime during the day).

For example's sake, I stake £50 in the morning at odds of 15.0, then, when the race goes in-play I want to be taking a profit of £25. Here are the settings I am using:

- General tab
* Green All Selections
* Relative to event start time
+ Rule Trigger Times - 20 hours before event start time
+ 1 hour after event start time

- Conditions tab
* Green All Profit Condition - profit greater than £24.99

The above has worked with football, but so far can't get it going with the nags.

Any help much appreciated.

Mike

[gallybloke]

Maybe the problem is the switch over from not in-play to in-play try setting two green up rules.

First Green up as per your settings with the rule trigger times set at 20 hours untill start time to 1 second before the start time with the additional conditions tab that the event must not be in-play to work.

Second Green up as per your settings trigger 1 second after the event goes in-play untill 1 hour after the event goes in-play with additional condition that the event must be in-play.

Gally

[mikelenard]

Maybe the problem is the switch over from not in-play to in-play try setting two green up rules.

First Green up as per your settings with the rule trigger times set at 20 hours untill start time to 1 second before the start time with the additional conditions tab that the event must not be in-play to work.

Second Green up as per your settings trigger 1 second after the event goes in-play untill 1 hour after the event goes in-play with additional condition that the event must be in-play.

Gally

Will give that a shot today and report back, thank you.

Mike

[PeterLe]

Mike
Sorry to here about the 250 quid..
Have you not thought about using the Practice Mode whilst you fine tune it?
The football liquidity is fine on football, so Practice mode shouldn't be too much difference from live?
Regards
Peter

[mikelenard]

Mike
Sorry to here about the 250 quid..
Have you not thought about using the Practice Mode whilst you fine tune it?
The football liquidity is fine on football, so Practice mode shouldn't be too much difference from live?
Regards
Peter

Yes, the loss is lamentable, but sometimes I need a kick up the backside to get my act together.

Good idea regarding the practice mode, haven't used it before. Would you happen to know the difference between "Close Trade Profit Condition" and "Green All Profit Condition"?

Mike

[mikelenard]

My frustration really has boiled over now, losing another £50 because I can't get this blasted automation going.

Using the Practice mode yesterday it worked fine, today in real mode more losses. I have a top of the range PC with 30 MB Internet connection, Guardian is set to refresh at 500 milliseconds, Bet Confirmation off.

I took a back bet BFSP of 3.82 risking £25 (bet confirmed). Odds dropped to 2.2 in-play and my profit to take was £10 or greater. Profit, as per my rules, should have been taken at odds of 2.72. No green up lay bet placed.

I can't figure out how to attach my Automation file so here are my settings:
- I manually place a BFSP back bet to £25

General Tab
* Green All Selections
* Relative to in-play time: From 1 second until 1 hour after event goes in-play

Conditions
* Green all profit condition
- Greater than £10

Any help much appreciated.

Mike (currently with an unhappy face, with a happy face if resolved)

[Euler]

Check you log to see what happened to cross compare what you think happened with what actually happened? If the greening bet did fire then it may be that the bet never got matched as the price had moved during the in-play delay leaving the bet open ended. Or it could be that the bet was just matched at very unfavourable odds. The log should be able to confirm.

[mikelenard]

Check you log to see what happened to cross compare what you think happened with what actually happened? If the greening bet did fire then it may be that the bet never got matched as the price had moved during the in-play delay leaving the bet open ended. Or it could be that the bet was just matched at very unfavourable odds. The log should be able to confirm.

I checked the log and no bets were fired into the market. I also checked my Betfair account for unmatched or cancelled bets and there were none. Does the market need to appear in the main Bet Angel window (not in Guardian)?

I have just carried out a test with football, greening up to 25p profit and it has worked. Why it is not working with horse racing I do not know... could you suggest an appropriate number of trigger times?

[mikelenard]

Any help on this issue from Support would be much appreciated. As I've already mentioned, I have already lost £300 when I should actually be in profit by around £200.

[TheTub]

I checked the log and no bets were fired into the market.

This would indicate the software never saw the condition met.

In running greening is a risky business as the price will be fast moving and jumping about all over the place anyway. You may see the price at 2.2 on the exchange but this price may never register with the software as it moves around too quickly.

[mikelenard]

I checked the log and no bets were fired into the market.

This would indicate the software never saw the condition met.

In running greening is a risky business as the price will be fast moving and jumping about all over the place anyway. You may see the price at 2.2 on the exchange but this price may never register with the software as it moves around too quickly.

Thank you TheTub, that would back up my own thoughts. I purchased the software on the back of what the new automation tool could do, these flaws need to be clearly mentioned.

To get around the issue I shall fire a lay bet into the market as soon as BFSP has been taken instead of waiting around for odds to drop. Not sure of how I'll do it yet, but when there's a will there's a way.

Mike

[John Doe]

Are you switching to each market or just putting in Guardian. If you get Bet Angel to autoswitch it will be able to refresh at top speed and conditions in a fast moving market are more likely to be met.

[mikelenard]

Are you switching to each market or just putting in Guardian. If you get Bet Angel to autoswitch it will be able to refresh at top speed and conditions in a fast moving market are more likely to be met.

I shall try the autoswitch in the 1.40 and come back to you. But if you set Guardian to 500 milliseconds shouldn't it be working at the same speed as Bet Angel?

[John Doe]

No, that is 500ms per market. So if you have 10 markets in Guardian it will be 5 seconds before it reaches that market again to check on your rule. If you autoswitch Bet Angel will be scanning the market at full speed and will only move onto the next market when you tell it too. Guardian will still be scanning in the background but you will be at full speed on the next market.

[mikelenard]

No, that is 500ms per market. So if you have 10 markets in Guardian it will be 5 seconds before it reaches that market again to check on your rule. If you autoswitch Bet Angel will be scanning the market at full speed and will only move onto the next market when you tell it too. Guardian will still be scanning in the background but you will be at full speed on the next market.

John, you've solved my issue, many thanks! Where do I send the crate of wine/ale/beer/other?