Hi there
I'm a 2 months betangel user.i've tried several strategies and i want to know your opinion about that strategy.i dont think that realy works...last saturday +75 euros...sunday -70 and by thursday i lost all my money...did anyone make money with lay the field?
sorry about my english...
Thanks...
Lay the field
i pick markets with 8 or more runners and the odds of the favourite 4.00 or higher...
i do something like that.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BktvAWs6L6c
i do something like that.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BktvAWs6L6c
To get as many orders filled as possible you need it to be a close race, you need all horses in contention at some point. Field size has virtually no bearing, though more runners will mean more with a chance of being in contention depending on what odds you are asking for. Have a think about what races are more likely to throw up those characteristics.
You can get Bet Angel to lay the field automatically without you being in attendance if you wish. That way you can run it all day and return to see how it did at the end of the day.
You can get Bet Angel to lay the field automatically without you being in attendance if you wish. That way you can run it all day and return to see how it did at the end of the day.
I think you mis-understood my response. If you know about racing have a think about which races are more likely to end in a close finish and which ones are not. That should allow you to refine the theory.
There is little point in following any specific rule or advice, it's best to carve out your own niche. But if you are familiar with racing that should be a big enough clue.
There is little point in following any specific rule or advice, it's best to carve out your own niche. But if you are familiar with racing that should be a big enough clue.
Last edited by Euler on Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
Each race is a unique event. Every horse has racing statistics, form (sex, age, fitness and weight-over-distance ability). Than you have jockey’s form reflected in winning strike rates, trainer’s form, track(weather) conditions (the going suits some horses but disadvantages others), late non-runners, type of race, prize money, a horse’s equipment, nr of runners, odds etc.
You build up a database with historical betfair data and other data you can find. Only after analyzing all these info you try to find a strategy by yourself. Now dear two month betangel user did you want to make money right from the start or after two months? How many of these factors did you analyse before placing your bets? Answer this questions to yourself.
You build up a database with historical betfair data and other data you can find. Only after analyzing all these info you try to find a strategy by yourself. Now dear two month betangel user did you want to make money right from the start or after two months? How many of these factors did you analyse before placing your bets? Answer this questions to yourself.
I didn't expected to make money so early....in my country horses are ''laying in the fields...'' hahaha...they use them for agriculture...nobody knows about horse racing so i asked for help to put my mind in the right way of thinking.Internet is full of so cold experts trying to sell fake strategies so I'd like not to spend my time reading scams but professional advice.I have no problem to earn my first 1 euro at 2014.I just don't want to waste my time reading from guru-fail loosers.Many thanks for your time !
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viper.trader
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I make money laying the field at 1.01 or 1.02, it really is the patience game but i make enough money to live of just, but of course there is an edge to this, there always is lol. Anyway laying horses can make money.
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JollyGreen
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If you go back a few years...actually it is probably nearer 5 years, laying the field started to become popular. Naturally there were people doing it before that but I'm talking more about it becoming mainstream.
It used to be much easier to set-up Bet Angel ready to lay the field, watch the race and if it seemed like a close finish you would submit your orders. You needed only two selections to be matched below 2.0 to lock in a profit.
Then came a dilemma. If you asked for a low price, the profit would be higher but the winning frequency would be lower. It then took some adjusting to find a happy medium i.e. a price where you could get two matched regularly.
It has now become much harder for this strategy to work with the advent of live on course traders, something that nobody has mentioned yet. There are teams of people at the courses who are taking advantage of the delay in the TV coverage. With a delay of up to 6.5 seconds at some courses these people are able to determine which horse is going to win. They will ignore the other runners. This makes it harder to get your orders filled and thus makes the strategy a hard one. Yes, it will still work but it requires a lot of hard work.
If you want to try it then here are a couple of pointers.
1. 5f and 6f sprints will offer close finishes
2. Uphill finishes can often produce close finishes
3. Soft ground can produce close finishes
4. Courses with poor camera angles in the home straight can give the illusion of a close finish and produce lower prices.
5. Courses which do not attract a mass of on course traders/gamblers will offer a better chance.
Today's racing offers a mixed bag, here are my thoughts on the courses
Thirsk - A low grade course which is pretty flat and tight turning. The only thing to help the lay all strategy is the camera angle which can be poor. They follow the horses to about 3f out and as the horses pass your view point and start to run away from you they switch to a camera adjacent the winning line so they are now running toward the viewer. This can make it tricky to determine which horse is actually in front. This camera then pans and follows the leader(s) crossing the line which can be tricky in a tight finish.
Yarmouth - Another low grade course and the only advantage is the poor camera angle. The horses again run toward the viewer for the last 2-3f and then they can switch to a camera nearer the winning line.
Folkestone - a strange course where the runners follow a fairly undulating run for home. They run slightly uphill and from your right towards you. It depends if the camera is on a high lift or lower with the latter giving a tricky camera angle. As the horses approach the 1/2 f marker they start to level in terms of view and then you are looking at them at a slight angle as they cross the line. In the 5f 6f and some 7f races they run straight, there is no bend and these can produce close finishes.
Listowel - They turn for home on a fairly tight bend and then it's a short run in to the finish. The camera angle isn't bad but they run towards you from left to right. The ground is heavy today and there is a slight incline as they round the home turn so this may produce tight finishes.
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It used to be much easier to set-up Bet Angel ready to lay the field, watch the race and if it seemed like a close finish you would submit your orders. You needed only two selections to be matched below 2.0 to lock in a profit.
Then came a dilemma. If you asked for a low price, the profit would be higher but the winning frequency would be lower. It then took some adjusting to find a happy medium i.e. a price where you could get two matched regularly.
It has now become much harder for this strategy to work with the advent of live on course traders, something that nobody has mentioned yet. There are teams of people at the courses who are taking advantage of the delay in the TV coverage. With a delay of up to 6.5 seconds at some courses these people are able to determine which horse is going to win. They will ignore the other runners. This makes it harder to get your orders filled and thus makes the strategy a hard one. Yes, it will still work but it requires a lot of hard work.
If you want to try it then here are a couple of pointers.
1. 5f and 6f sprints will offer close finishes
2. Uphill finishes can often produce close finishes
3. Soft ground can produce close finishes
4. Courses with poor camera angles in the home straight can give the illusion of a close finish and produce lower prices.
5. Courses which do not attract a mass of on course traders/gamblers will offer a better chance.
Today's racing offers a mixed bag, here are my thoughts on the courses
Thirsk - A low grade course which is pretty flat and tight turning. The only thing to help the lay all strategy is the camera angle which can be poor. They follow the horses to about 3f out and as the horses pass your view point and start to run away from you they switch to a camera adjacent the winning line so they are now running toward the viewer. This can make it tricky to determine which horse is actually in front. This camera then pans and follows the leader(s) crossing the line which can be tricky in a tight finish.
Yarmouth - Another low grade course and the only advantage is the poor camera angle. The horses again run toward the viewer for the last 2-3f and then they can switch to a camera nearer the winning line.
Folkestone - a strange course where the runners follow a fairly undulating run for home. They run slightly uphill and from your right towards you. It depends if the camera is on a high lift or lower with the latter giving a tricky camera angle. As the horses approach the 1/2 f marker they start to level in terms of view and then you are looking at them at a slight angle as they cross the line. In the 5f 6f and some 7f races they run straight, there is no bend and these can produce close finishes.
Listowel - They turn for home on a fairly tight bend and then it's a short run in to the finish. The camera angle isn't bad but they run towards you from left to right. The ground is heavy today and there is a slight incline as they round the home turn so this may produce tight finishes.
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