Why have the white British left London?

[superfrank]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21511904

Something quite remarkable happened in London in the first decade of the new millennium. The number of white British people in the capital fell by 620,000 - equivalent to the entire population of Glasgow moving out.

the rest of it is the BBC putting its usual pro-immigration spin on what is simply "white flight".

take a quick look at the "Highest Rated" and "Lowest Rated" comments (at the bottom of the article) to get a truer picture of what people really think (those comments that the thought police haven't removed that is!).

[Euler]

You haven't moved out yet then?

[superfrank]

no! i live in Clerkenwell which is on the edge of the City of London and i love it here (although i'm moving at end of March because i can't afford to live here anymore).

it's quite mixed but still predominantly white (although very European - western European that is, loads of French people).

i don't mind a bit of multiculturalism, but i think it's gone way too far (especially in some areas) and what's left of British culture is fading fast.

i said to someone that in 50 years St Paul's will have become a mosque (they like domes!) and they laughed at me, but it's not as far fetched as it sounds if white flight/immigration (and much higher birth rates for immigrant populations) continues at the present rate.

[Dublin_Flyer]

Reading the comments on it, it's similar to Sky News story comments regularly. That being, the people with the most extreme views seem to have the worst spelling, grammar, and basic use of the English language possible, maybe due to their education or lack of it.

Thankfully the vast majority of posters on this forum seem dignified in their interaction, who says trading is stressful!?

[NileVentures]

Angels - let us not confuse fundamentally different issues here: immigration into London; ethnic white British moving out of London; and religion.
The 2011 census and most recent stats indicate that recent net immigration into London comes from Eastern Europeans who are predominantly white. Ethnic white Brits are moving out of London because of the economic downturn and because they can more readily integrate into the towns and villages of the home counties. Londoners are being priced out of the housing market because of the Russians and French using London as a safe haven. But you don't noticed it because they are predominantly white Christians.
If you think the recent Polish immigration was significant, wait until the EU freedom of movement opens up to Romania and Bulgaria.
I am happy debating race, religion and culture with anyone who has the intellectual capacity to distinguish between them.

[superfrank]

the people with the most extreme views seem to have the worst spelling, grammar, and basic use of the English language possible, maybe due to their education or lack of it.

maybe that's why immigration is so popular with the liberal elite who make social policy (and run the BBC) in this country... they get some nice cheap labour when they need plumbing, decorating, building work etc., but because of their good education, and money, get to live in nice leafy areas away from any trouble.

but that's fine because the less well educated who bear the brunt don't matter, right?!

[LeTiss]

Immigration is a touchy subject. Our modern day society is governed by political correctness, and jellyback Liberals who do everything they can to stroke the genitals of the minority

Somebody recently sent me a link to the infamous 'Rivers of Blood' speech by Enoch Powell. It ended his career, but so much of what he said has been proven to be correct

[superfrank]

Somebody recently sent me a link to the infamous 'Rivers of Blood' speech by Enoch Powell. It ended his career, but so much of what he said has been proven to be correct

Powell was a supremely intelligent man who had the balls and principles to make a stand.

he wasn't racist, by his own definition - which is that he didn't believe in racial superiority, he just thought it best for society that different cultures stayed different and in their own countries. i'd say the majority of Brits believe the same thing, but are ignored by all mainstream political parties.

[Iron]

the people with the most extreme views seem to have the worst spelling, grammar, and basic use of the English language possible, maybe due to their education or lack of it.

maybe that's why immigration is so popular with the liberal elite who make social policy (and run the BBC) in this country...

Hear hear.

There is something quite tragic about someone having the best education money can buy, and then not using their critical faculties to see the liberal orthodoxy for what it is, instead looking down their noses at people who disagreed with them, as if they were all benighted Daily Mail reading simpletons.

My dad recently retired as a lecturer at a leading university. He used to despair about the fact that all of his fellow lecturers were politically correct to the core. Is it any surprise that New Labour were so keen on getting so many people into university?

Even Noam Chomsky, a great thinker in so many respects, is politically correct, as this video shows (see 5:30): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESc0z1Tbwfk

Jeff

[Iron]

Somebody recently sent me a link to the infamous 'Rivers of Blood' speech by Enoch Powell. It ended his career, but so much of what he said has been proven to be correct

Powell was a supremely intelligent man who had the balls and principles to make a stand.

As traders, you guys can say that without risking losing your job. How much longer you will be able to say such things without losing your liberty remains to be seen...

You may be interested in the following, which I wrote in a Facebook debate (with a Lib Dem MP's daughter, as it happens):

I wish I were a liberal. It must be great to believe that you are siding with the marginalized against powerful oppressors (even though the people running the country and much of the media are fellow liberals!). It must also be great to be able to express your views and come across as caring. For example, no-one is ever going to call you names for saying terror suspects shouldn't be tortured, but you might get called names if you argue that it's a necessary evil some of the time. Sadly, however, try as I will, I find myself unable to accept the core liberal assumptions about the world and whole cultural Marxist value system...

Jeff

[Iron]

Immigration is just a subtle way of 'offshoring' jobs: so why isn't the Left against it? - http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwes ... gainst-it/

'The day that the Today programme team are replaced by Chinese migrants doing the job for half the price is the day the British media class will start to see mass immigration for what it is – offshoring with added social costs.'

[superfrank]

modern left-wing politics is full of contradictions. they rely on the working classes for votes, but represent a set of liberal values that are at odds with the lives of working class people.

also, their support for all things Muslim exists because of their love for multiculturalism, despite that "religion" treating women as 3rd class citizens which one would expect them to abhor.

[herbie]

Which white british are leaving London? the roman white british? The viking white british? The french white british? The polish white british? And why is it relavant?

[Iron]

Herbie

I'm sensing some defensiveness.

Why is it relevant? Not sure I understand the question. Relevant to what? It's relevant to a discussion about changes in British society and demographics...

Jeff

[LeTiss]

Herbie is either an immigrant, or he's one of the brainwashed zombies