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womble_wayne
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OK Here goes..............I have had a really bad time over the last 18 months. Basically I bought a pub and lost everything! I have had to move back to London, cant get a job and for the first time in 30 years i have had to sign on. I have played about with trading before and have made small profits and bigger losses, However i have decided to set myself a challenge(other than getting a job which is still a priority). I am going to start with the smallest amount in my bank and see if i can turn a profit. My initial goal is to make £400 ish so i can go on peter webbs course. Hopefully i will post now and then to show my progress.
ps These postings are part of my motivation to suceed.
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womble_wayne
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Success

Day One Trading
Start Bank £ 150.00
End Bank £ 171.00
Days Profit £ 21.00

I am very happy with today as i intend to increase my bank by 7%- 10% on each full day i trade. Today was a bit of a steep learning curve and i made a few mistakes along the way. Have learnt one thing today...dont go in running!!! However things went my day today and am getting a feel for the BETDAQ markets. Hopefully in time BETDAQ will update things on their site. One of the biggest problems i have is that there is no column telling you how mutch has been matched at what price, so no idea of resistance points. Anyway enough for now, be back soon.
scotty875
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Good luck on 10% per day. In my limited experience I think that's acheivable with discipline. Emphasising discipline-I've managed 10% before going stupid in-running and crippling my bank. My current rules are
one open trade at a time, openning trade stake 2.5% of bank(haven't actively traded much lately so easing myself back in on smaller stakes) and stop loss at 50% of stake(self discipline not auto stoploss). I've mixed feelings on in-running, did some today successfully but it's pretty nerve racking. Obviously your rules will be built on your own experiences, set targets don't always bring results and can increase pressure. I started with a smaller bank and blew most of it and then rebuilt(twice now). I've no set targets now and with my staking plan and discipline I hope this gives me plenty of time and opportunity to learn how to improve my trading.
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LeTiss
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Most experienced traders could make 10% quite easily on smaller banks - £20 from a £200 bank would be a piece of cake

However, there's a ceiling for how much money you can push through, so picking up £2000 from a £20k bank is very, very difficult.

If you are targeting earnings, I'd create a sliding scale where your percentage starts to drop slightly, as your bank increases
THENUTS
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LeTiss 4pm wrote:there's a ceiling for how much money you can push through, so picking up £2000 from a £20k bank is very, very difficult.

If you are targeting earnings, I'd create a sliding scale where your percentage starts to drop slightly, as your bank increases
Le Tiss - Would you say it is realistic for £300 per day on a £10k bank (3%) ?

Is this the kind of bank / return that pro traders are targeting on a regular basis ?
womble_wayne
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If you are targeting earnings, I'd create a sliding scale where your percentage starts to drop slightly, as your bank increases
I am looking to reach a certain bank level then maintaining 75-100% of that bank and then draw an income.
spreadbetting
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THENUTS wrote:
Le Tiss - Would you say it is realistic for £300 per day on a £10k bank (3%) ?

Is this the kind of bank / return that pro traders are targeting on a regular basis ?

It's not the size of your bank it's what you do with it :shock:

Like Le Tiss says there's a limit as to how much you can stick into most markets in one go. Unless you're playing multiple markets or laying high prices a £10K bank certainly isn't needed. Most traders will have a high turnover of £'s just by churning over the same money multiple times thru the market rather than putting large bets into it
steven1976
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spreadbetting wrote:
THENUTS wrote:
Le Tiss - Would you say it is realistic for £300 per day on a £10k bank (3%) ?

Is this the kind of bank / return that pro traders are targeting on a regular basis ?

It's not the size of your bank it's what you do with it :shock:

Like Le Tiss says there's a limit as to how much you can stick into most markets in one go. Unless you're playing multiple markets or laying high prices a £10K bank certainly isn't needed. Most traders will have a high turnover of £'s just by churning over the same money multiple times thru the market rather than putting large bets into it
I agree that you can win small amounts with lots of turnover which is what I do. However the size of a bank can influence a market signifcantly. After all, "money moves markets". A good friend of mine uses 50k+ bank and the largest Ive personally seen is 400k. I dont believe they are gaining interest from bf by holding this amount in their accounts.

A couple of reasons that they could need the money is for example if the liquidity is good on an event, they may place a large position a long way out from the money. As the clock ticks down they eat up the money in the tick immediately in front of them and then put up a big resistance to support the position with even bigger money knowing that the market has to eat their bet first as it continues to move in/out. This would be for inplay bets obviously where time plays a factor. Another scenario could be, preoff events when money can be used to influence opinion even when there is no intention of the money being matched.
haichless
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couldnt agree more steven1976,its a definite advantage when you get to a critical mass bank wise and can use it in the markets
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