I am not feeling too good at the moment so I am led in bed with a laptop testing strategies and market reading skills. This race was really profitable for me as I could see Dreams of Glory was drifting and it was only a matter of time before the money started to drive down the price of Crimson Queen.
I laid the former at 3.85 and backed the latter at 6.8 I thought at one point they would swap prices but either way it was a nice double swing which was most welcome.
Anyway that is not what I wanted to focus on although the result did catch my eye. The money for Crimson Queen worked out on this occasion and she romped home but the craziest thing was Kakapuka being backed into 2.16 in running. I wasn't really paying attention, I must admit I had answered the call of nature. I rewound the action and to my amazement this horse only disputed the lead for the first furlong and went backwards thereafter to finish a well beaten last!!
Now I still maintain there are a lot of in-running players who do not have a Scooby Doo about the game. Now before someone berates me let me qualify that statement. There are some decent in-running players and they must be having a field day because there are some true idiots clicking the screen metaphorically speaking. How on this little green earth can that horse be backed in 2.16?
Did I miss something?
14:30 Bath - in running madness
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JollyGreen
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Thank you, so I am not going mad then! I missed the in running data but wasLinusP wrote:Over 10k was matched on that horse inplay as well, pushing it from 4.1 to 2.16...
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You have a point there but more importantly some idiot(s) are clearly driving the prices down or up and they clearly have no idea what they are doing!Golfer wrote:IP markets have felt weak all summer, less structural resistance and lots of spoofing has lead to wild prices.
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i had done very well for a fiew weeks with this in running madness,
and i was wondering when it would be mentioned on here.
i started noting about a month ago how beaten horses were still being backed in inrunning,
when they look beat and start to trade at lets say 13.-20
i would lay my money in at 6-7-8 and sure enough the price would come in again and take my lay,
like i said i was doing very well,
one day i was feeling a bit greedy and overconfident,
long story short a fiew of them came back to win,
turns out the money was only on loan to me ...
if u have the proper set up.(which i dont)there is free money there to take and its happening all the time,
Marc
and i was wondering when it would be mentioned on here.
i started noting about a month ago how beaten horses were still being backed in inrunning,
when they look beat and start to trade at lets say 13.-20
i would lay my money in at 6-7-8 and sure enough the price would come in again and take my lay,
like i said i was doing very well,
one day i was feeling a bit greedy and overconfident,
long story short a fiew of them came back to win,
turns out the money was only on loan to me ...
if u have the proper set up.(which i dont)there is free money there to take and its happening all the time,
Marc
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JollyGreen
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As you know Marc, we discussed some months back about the possibility of some shady types money laundering and I am still of the opinion there are a few still at it.
I personally think the key is to take the little and often approach with the strategy you mentioned. I tend to lay and then back for a green profit...just in case!!
I try to keep things proportional so my potential loss doesn't outweigh my potential profits. At least that way I know long term I can get a few wrong and never be far behind. If you have it so you potentially could lose the full liability on a lay but only take a percentage when you win then you'll need to be very good as you'll be swimming against the tide most of the time.
I personally think the key is to take the little and often approach with the strategy you mentioned. I tend to lay and then back for a green profit...just in case!!
I try to keep things proportional so my potential loss doesn't outweigh my potential profits. At least that way I know long term I can get a few wrong and never be far behind. If you have it so you potentially could lose the full liability on a lay but only take a percentage when you win then you'll need to be very good as you'll be swimming against the tide most of the time.
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You can quite easily get them to drive them prices in or out for a few quid risk as well.JollyGreen wrote:You have a point there but more importantly some idiot(s) are clearly driving the prices down or up and they clearly have no idea what they are doing!Golfer wrote:IP markets have felt weak all summer, less structural resistance and lots of spoofing has lead to wild prices.
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JollyGreen
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It's the camera angle at these courses that catches out a lot of in running punters. Haydock isn't quite so bad but Clonmel, well look at this result. I have been unwell this afternoon and ended up at the surgery. I came in just in time for this race. It was 1m 2f so not the type you would expect to be good for the lay all strategy. Three runners traded low and to be honest some of the people backing them into such mental prices should be thanked. They cannot have any idea what they're doing.PeterLe wrote:Bath is a great course for in running volatility. Haydock isnt bad today, but Clonmel is better and usually gives some nice surprises
regards
Peter
Sedgefield is another course where the camera angle is poor but once again someone clearly is doing the wrong job as Quadrato never looked like winning and never had his head in front but it went to 1.5!
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Well done JG yesterday, great shout.
I dont think the in running prices on a lot of the runners have any relation to whats happening in the race.
It happens all the time,for example in that last race at Kempton Flemish School bounced into 10 inside the final furlong when it had absoulutly no chance.
That wouln't be the worst case either, if you can get reasonably up with the live action in terms of pictures there is money to be made as long as you can read a race.
I dont think the in running prices on a lot of the runners have any relation to whats happening in the race.
It happens all the time,for example in that last race at Kempton Flemish School bounced into 10 inside the final furlong when it had absoulutly no chance.
That wouln't be the worst case either, if you can get reasonably up with the live action in terms of pictures there is money to be made as long as you can read a race.
Hi JGJollyGreen wrote:It's the camera angle at these courses that catches out a lot of in running punters. Haydock isn't quite so bad but Clonmel, well look at this result. I have been unwell this afternoon and ended up at the surgery. I came in just in time for this race. It was 1m 2f so not the type you would expect to be good for the lay all strategy. Three runners traded low and to be honest some of the people backing them into such mental prices should be thanked. They cannot have any idea what they're doing.PeterLe wrote:Bath is a great course for in running volatility. Haydock isnt bad today, but Clonmel is better and usually gives some nice surprises
regards
Peter
Sedgefield is another course where the camera angle is poor but once again someone clearly is doing the wrong job as Quadrato never looked like winning and never had his head in front but it went to 1.5!
We've been out this evening so only just seen this.
I left some stuff running on auto and have done OK today but not great. I dont know if it was that race that helped...
Its worth pointing out as well, its also as equally important to know which courses not to trade in running as the opposite is true when it easy to read the race.
I have it setup in excel that when it reads "Kemp, Ling or Wolv", it disables it!
regards
Peter
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Just a query, Peter had a article or video a few months back about Fat Finger syndrome. Could this be a factor on the tracks with the dodgy camera angles?
BTW, sorry to hear you're unwell JG, hope you're better soon.
BTW, sorry to hear you're unwell JG, hope you're better soon.