I am currently working on a project using data for horse racing to find steamers, drifters, back to lay, lay to back opportunities etc.
When I look at a racecard I can generally see the data and trade accordingly. I do appreciate that you may need to see different angles or explanations hence this project.
We are looking at ways to incorporate data within Bet Angel to help people find market moves pre-race or to help them with in play trades. For this to work I need feedback from users so this is a good way to get it.
If you are interested in helping then please PM me with an e-mail address. The rules are simple but they must be followed or you may be removed from the list.
1. This is not a guarantee of definite movements
2. There will be some errors on the way so please expect to find them - this may mean small losses.
3. Your feedback is expected on what was good bad or missing.
4. Please no moaning
Point 3 is vital if this is to work as I cannot possibly know what is required if you don't tell me. There may not be advice every day, it will only be supplied as and when it offers a good learning opportunity. My health dictates I can be AWOL for days at a time so please be patient.
If we can get this working then everyone will benefit as Bet Angel can offer you an angle that does not exist elsewhere.
All views are welcome.
JG
Horse racing data - volunteers required
JG,
I am not clear if you are referring to using the data available each day from the racecard in conjunction with Bet Angel. Or, if you are referring to using an external database pre-loaded with specific fields and tables linked to Bet Angel?
Can you elaborate on the data source that you propose to use in conjunction with Bet Angel?
I am not clear if you are referring to using the data available each day from the racecard in conjunction with Bet Angel. Or, if you are referring to using an external database pre-loaded with specific fields and tables linked to Bet Angel?
Can you elaborate on the data source that you propose to use in conjunction with Bet Angel?
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JollyGreen
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Thank you to everyone who has been in touch. I had PMs and e-mails a plenty!
I am looking to automate form assessment based on certain criteria. The idea is then to work with that data, monitor the markets and hopefully get the moves we desire. Obviously it will take some practice and tweaking but if we don't try then we'll never know.
The beauty of trading is we don't need to take a position and allow it to drain our bank, we can cut out and start again. The in running is slightly different as a horse can fall or have a bad day and our position is lost.
My misspent youth has shown me that certain horses attract support pre-race and others will run a certain way to offer a BTL or LTB opportunity. I can do this by reading the cards and finding these horses but that is time consuming hence the desire to automate the data so it can be found quickly.
If we can make this work the data can be added to Bet Angel. My current idea is the horse will be highlighted in some way or listed on a separate Tab with the appropriate data in an easy to read format.
So at first there will be some trial and error involved hence the warning about small losses. However, if I can get feedback from users on their experience I can tweak the data and hopefully improve it.
This will be a manual operation in terms of trading but if at some stage users want to automate it then I have no objection. I am not into automation so cannot advise or support that aspect of things.
I am looking to automate form assessment based on certain criteria. The idea is then to work with that data, monitor the markets and hopefully get the moves we desire. Obviously it will take some practice and tweaking but if we don't try then we'll never know.
The beauty of trading is we don't need to take a position and allow it to drain our bank, we can cut out and start again. The in running is slightly different as a horse can fall or have a bad day and our position is lost.
My misspent youth has shown me that certain horses attract support pre-race and others will run a certain way to offer a BTL or LTB opportunity. I can do this by reading the cards and finding these horses but that is time consuming hence the desire to automate the data so it can be found quickly.
If we can make this work the data can be added to Bet Angel. My current idea is the horse will be highlighted in some way or listed on a separate Tab with the appropriate data in an easy to read format.
So at first there will be some trial and error involved hence the warning about small losses. However, if I can get feedback from users on their experience I can tweak the data and hopefully improve it.
This will be a manual operation in terms of trading but if at some stage users want to automate it then I have no objection. I am not into automation so cannot advise or support that aspect of things.
If you need any help with tool to assist with automated form assessment based on specific criteria then I may be able to assist. You can apply regression analysis to lines of form to get weighted factors that might be useful as parameters for your proposal.JollyGreen wrote:...
I am looking to automate form assessment based on certain criteria. The idea is then to work with that data, monitor the markets and hopefully get the moves we desire....
For example, a small database could be setup to automatically import a large chunk of raceform residing in an external file (csv, text, excel etc). Once imported by a database it can then be automatically subjected to regression analysis to calculate weighted factors and parameters of interest. The output can them be exported to an external excel file or a printer or whatever output is convenient to the end user.
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JollyGreen
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Hi dogform
That is a very kind offer, I will see how I go and then may contact you.
JG
That is a very kind offer, I will see how I go and then may contact you.
JG
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JollyGreen
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I am not a great believer in having an edge as such. As we will be looking for genuine market moves it will be a matter of quantity achieved. There may be a few missed opportunities but they will probably be down to fastest finger first.LinusP wrote:I think this is great Jolly, and like others I want to help and make it work but do you think it will work if you have every bet angel user following the same information. Surely any edge you have at the moment will diminish completely?
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JollyGreen
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Yes I think my choice of words was poor in this case. Because we will be looking at longer terms trends and possibly in-running BTL and LTB trades it will be more a question of quantity achieved. For example, someone will get 3.4 whereas someone gets 3.2 as they saw the data later or were unable to view the market. I was not referring to shorter term trends where the market is volatile and moves very quickly.oscar123 wrote:The problem with fastest finger first is that when the trade goes well, nobody gets matched,or only part matched. When the trade goes badly, everybody gets matched, in full, for as much as they want.
What happens in running is slightly different because everyone has a threshold to which they will abide. I cannot advise on perceived value so individuals will have to work within their own parameters of profit and loss.
Ah right i see what you mean, i was just thinking with things like this you can sometimes become a victim of your own success, in that the better you do, the harder it is going to be for people to get matched, similar to pricewise and hugh taylor etc.
Anyhow, good luck with it Jolly Green.
Anyhow, good luck with it Jolly Green.