Excuses, Excuses, Excuses

[Archery1969]

I find Lord Blunett’s comments recently as rather stupid…

“If you can’t be bothered to work then the government owes you nothing”

https://news.sky.com/story/lord-blunket ... k-13274108

What was he actually referring too ?

- Those who leave school and can’t be bothered.
- Those who leave school and because of peer pressure don’t work as it will affect the families house income if there on benefits.
- Those who have worked for 30+ years but for whatever reason no longer wish too.

You could turn that around and say, I didn’t ask to be born, you don’t help me, then I don’t pay tax or contribute to society. If you don’t like it then lock me up @ £43,000 per annum. And even if I don’t contribute or have enough state pension contributions, the law says I need a minimum income via pension credit. If not then you have another homeless person. Who is more likely to end up in Prison.

Don’t forget, anyone in the UK making a living via BF legally is not obliged to pay tax. To me, they should be treated the same as any other self-employed person. After your tax free allowance, if in profit then you pay tax. You could also argue that you should be subject to IR35 rules too.

And please don’t say it would be a nightmare to introduce, it wouldn’t, profit - costs and losses over £12,500 then your treated the same as any other submitting a tax return.

Constructive comments ?

[Michael5482]

I find Lord Blunett’s comments recently as rather stupid…

“If you can’t be bothered to work then the government owes you nothing”

https://news.sky.com/story/lord-blunket ... k-13274108

What was he actually referring too ?

- Those who leave school and can’t be bothered.
- Those who leave school and because of peer pressure don’t work as it will affect the families house income if there on benefits.
- Those who have worked for 30+ years but for whatever reason no longer wish too.

You could turn that around and say, I didn’t ask to be born, you don’t help me, then I don’t pay tax or contribute to society. If you don’t like it then lock me up @ £43,000 per annum. And even if I don’t contribute or have enough state pension contributions, the law says I need a minimum income via pension credit. If not then you have another homeless person. Who is more likely to end up in Prison.

Don’t forget, anyone in the UK making a living via BF legally is not obliged to pay tax. To me, they should be treated the same as any other self-employed person. After your tax free allowance, if in profit then you pay tax. You could also argue that you should be subject to IR35 rules too.

And please don’t say it would be a nightmare to introduce, it wouldn’t, profit - costs and losses over £12,500 then your treated the same as any other submitting a tax return.

Constructive comments ?

That's the last thing you need Betfair working in tandom with HMRC. Taxing full time gamblers will raise absolute peanuts and completely pointless.

I don't see a single positive for the economy or the gambler.

[ForFolksSake]

Spain is one of the only few countries in the Euromillions draw where, by law, winners of over €40,000 must pay 20% tax on their winnings.

Bad luck if you win £160 million as you will have to pay £32 million tax

[Archery1969]

I find Lord Blunett’s comments recently as rather stupid…

“If you can’t be bothered to work then the government owes you nothing”

https://news.sky.com/story/lord-blunket ... k-13274108

What was he actually referring too ?

- Those who leave school and can’t be bothered.
- Those who leave school and because of peer pressure don’t work as it will affect the families house income if there on benefits.
- Those who have worked for 30+ years but for whatever reason no longer wish too.

You could turn that around and say, I didn’t ask to be born, you don’t help me, then I don’t pay tax or contribute to society. If you don’t like it then lock me up @ £43,000 per annum. And even if I don’t contribute or have enough state pension contributions, the law says I need a minimum income via pension credit. If not then you have another homeless person. Who is more likely to end up in Prison.

Don’t forget, anyone in the UK making a living via BF legally is not obliged to pay tax. To me, they should be treated the same as any other self-employed person. After your tax free allowance, if in profit then you pay tax. You could also argue that you should be subject to IR35 rules too.

And please don’t say it would be a nightmare to introduce, it wouldn’t, profit - costs and losses over £12,500 then your treated the same as any other submitting a tax return.

Constructive comments ?

That's the last thing you need Betfair working in tandom with HMRC. Taxing full time gamblers will raise absolute peanuts and completely pointless.

I don't see a single positive for the economy or the gambler.

It might raise peanuts but it’s more of a moral question. If your average UK citizen knew/understood that some individuals are basically exempt from tax then I am sure there would be uproar and sooner or later the Government and HMRC would be forced into doing something via the mechanisms they already have. It would require no changes to the systems they have. Treated the same as any other self-employed person and possibly fall into the IR35 rules as your only income is BF etc. The IRS do it in the USA.

[jamesedwards]

If your average UK citizen knew/understood that some individuals are basically exempt from tax then I am sure there would be uproar and sooner or later the Government and HMRC would be forced into doing something via the mechanisms they already have.

Crab mentality

[Michael5482]

I find Lord Blunett’s comments recently as rather stupid…

“If you can’t be bothered to work then the government owes you nothing”

https://news.sky.com/story/lord-blunket ... k-13274108

What was he actually referring too ?

- Those who leave school and can’t be bothered.
- Those who leave school and because of peer pressure don’t work as it will affect the families house income if there on benefits.
- Those who have worked for 30+ years but for whatever reason no longer wish too.

You could turn that around and say, I didn’t ask to be born, you don’t help me, then I don’t pay tax or contribute to society. If you don’t like it then lock me up @ £43,000 per annum. And even if I don’t contribute or have enough state pension contributions, the law says I need a minimum income via pension credit. If not then you have another homeless person. Who is more likely to end up in Prison.

Don’t forget, anyone in the UK making a living via BF legally is not obliged to pay tax. To me, they should be treated the same as any other self-employed person. After your tax free allowance, if in profit then you pay tax. You could also argue that you should be subject to IR35 rules too.

And please don’t say it would be a nightmare to introduce, it wouldn’t, profit - costs and losses over £12,500 then your treated the same as any other submitting a tax return.

Constructive comments ?

That's the last thing you need Betfair working in tandom with HMRC. Taxing full time gamblers will raise absolute peanuts and completely pointless.

I don't see a single positive for the economy or the gambler.

It might raise peanuts but it’s more of a moral question. If your average UK citizen knew/understood that some individuals are basically exempt from tax then I am sure there would be uproar and sooner or later the Government and HMRC would be forced into doing something via the mechanisms they already have. It would require no changes to the systems they have. Treated the same as any other self-employed person and possibly fall into the IR35 rules as your only income is BF etc. The IRS do it in the USA.

Have you been reading The Guardian

[Michael5482]

If your average UK citizen knew/understood that some individuals are basically exempt from tax then I am sure there would be uproar and sooner or later the Government and HMRC would be forced into doing something via the mechanisms they already have.

Crab mentality

[jamesedwards]

If your average UK citizen knew/understood that some individuals are basically exempt from tax then I am sure there would be uproar and sooner or later the Government and HMRC would be forced into doing something via the mechanisms they already have.

Crab mentality

I think this is my new favourite analogous theory.

[ForFolksSake]

I find Lord Blunett’s comments recently as rather stupid…

“If you can’t be bothered to work then the government owes you nothing”

https://news.sky.com/story/lord-blunket ... k-13274108

What was he actually referring too ?

- Those who leave school and can’t be bothered.
- Those who leave school and because of peer pressure don’t work as it will affect the families house income if there on benefits.
- Those who have worked for 30+ years but for whatever reason no longer wish too.

You could turn that around and say, I didn’t ask to be born, you don’t help me, then I don’t pay tax or contribute to society. If you don’t like it then lock me up @ £43,000 per annum. And even if I don’t contribute or have enough state pension contributions, the law says I need a minimum income via pension credit. If not then you have another homeless person. Who is more likely to end up in Prison.

Don’t forget, anyone in the UK making a living via BF legally is not obliged to pay tax. To me, they should be treated the same as any other self-employed person. After your tax free allowance, if in profit then you pay tax. You could also argue that you should be subject to IR35 rules too.

And please don’t say it would be a nightmare to introduce, it wouldn’t, profit - costs and losses over £12,500 then your treated the same as any other submitting a tax return.

Constructive comments ?

That's the last thing you need Betfair working in tandom with HMRC. Taxing full time gamblers will raise absolute peanuts and completely pointless.

I don't see a single positive for the economy or the gambler.

If your average UK citizen knew/understood that some individuals are basically exempt from tax then I am sure there would be uproar and sooner or later the Government and HMRC would be forced into doing something via the mechanisms they already have. It would require no changes to the systems they have.

What makes you think that , what amounts are we talking about that will force HMRC into doing something - how many millions ??

[ForFolksSake]

Farage uses immigration stats as a dog whistle to racists. Similarly his response to the Southport stabbing, when he started peddling conspiracy theories.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

That said, at least he appears to be making a serious attempt to expel overt racists from his party & acknowledges it is an issue.

It does highlight one thing though if your assumptions are correct being many millions of hold a racist view in England and not much the establishment or Police can do about it.

my conclusion is British racists are just about the worst people to be near.

...my conclusion would be anybody who supports the racist Labour Party are by far the worst people to be near

[greenmark]

It does highlight one thing though if your assumptions are correct being many millions of hold a racist view in England and not much the establishment or Police can do about it.

my conclusion is British racists are just about the worst people to be near.

...my conclusion would be anybody who supports the racist Labour Party are by far the worst people to be near

So we've both concluded the same about a different group. I said "British racists are just about the worst people to be near." That's an opinion.
You said "anybody who supports the racist Labour Party are by far the worst people to be near".
That's a massive difference. You dismissed the opinions of the people that voted in the "racist Labour Party". That's a phrase that you didn't explain and is utterly ridiculous (unless you're a Jew, but I think Keir is on that issue anyway).
Can you justify describing the Labour Party as racist? And be careful any mud you sling can be applied to the Tories and ANY far right group.

[ForFolksSake]

my conclusion is British racists are just about the worst people to be near.

...my conclusion would be anybody who supports the racist Labour Party are by far the worst people to be near

So we've both concluded the same about a different group. I said "British racists are just about the worst people to be near." That's an opinion.
You said "anybody who supports the racist Labour Party are by far the worst people to be near".
That's a massive difference. You dismissed the opinions of the people that voted in the "racist Labour Party". That's a phrase that you didn't explain and is utterly ridiculous (unless you're a Jew, but I think Keir is on that issue anyway).
Can you justify describing the Labour Party as racist? And be careful any mud you sling can be applied to the Tories and ANY far right group.

The Labour party is riddled with racist's - always have been

[greenmark]

...my conclusion would be anybody who supports the racist Labour Party are by far the worst people to be near

So we've both concluded the same about a different group. I said "British racists are just about the worst people to be near." That's an opinion.
You said "anybody who supports the racist Labour Party are by far the worst people to be near".
That's a massive difference. You dismissed the opinions of the people that voted in the "racist Labour Party". That's a phrase that you didn't explain and is utterly ridiculous (unless you're a Jew, but I think Keir is on that issue anyway).
Can you justify describing the Labour Party as racist? And be careful any mud you sling can be applied to the Tories and ANY far right group.

The Labour party is riddled with racist's - always have been

Still not a single reference to support your opinion that the Labour Party is racist.

[Archery1969]

Crab mentality, what does that even mean ?

The UK Chancellor and Treasury needs every penny they can get.

Very sure I could provide a paper for them as to the morale compass and also send to all political parties, news outlets, social media plus internet.

It might be some of you lot that reaches for the toilet paper if HMRC go back 5 years and is cleared by the Supreme Court etc.

Many European countries are now banning BF. Only a matter of time before the UK does too with this current occupier of No 10/11.

[jamesedwards]

Crab mentality, what does that even mean ?

The UK Chancellor and Treasury needs every penny they can get.

Very sure I could provide a paper for them as to the morale compass and also send to all political parties, news outlets, social media plus internet.

It might be some of you lot that reaches for the toilet paper if HMRC go back 5 years and is cleared by the Supreme Court etc.

Many European countries are now banning BF. Only a matter of time before the UK does too with this current occupier of No 10/11.

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