..on the subject of Spoofing

We were all new to Bet Angel once. Ask any question you like here and fellow forum members promise not to laugh. Betfair trading made simple.
Post Reply
bastuncriochnatha
Posts: 35
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:57 pm

Hi Guys and Gals,

I was wondering if anyone could point me towards a blog or vid url where Pete discusses the iniquity of Spoofing (given that, I believe, it is illegal on the Stock Markets). I've had a good look around and can find nothing of substance on the practice. I was thinking that something on how to recognise and, in particular, not to be drawn into the dastardly intentions of such scurrilous blackguards might prove useful.
Begging the absolution of Trader Pat and Naffman if I have come over as somewhat ill-informed if not downright ignorant :). I is just trying to learn!!
Cheers
User avatar
Dallas
Posts: 23835
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 10:57 pm

Not sure about a video or blog offhand (I'm sure Peter can confirm if he's done a detailed one) but there is the following which touches on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8r-I6go3DM

Also here's a thread with a bit of discussion on it
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=14545
bastuncriochnatha
Posts: 35
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:57 pm

I am obliged to you Dallas.
weemac
Posts: 1494
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:16 pm

To accuse anyone of spoofing in any given instance is to appoint yourself as the thought police, which seems to be all the rage nowadays. Only the bettor really knows his/her intentions when placing the bet.

In any case, the money is sitting there for anyone to take should they so wish. If you're so darned confident it's a spoof, why don't you take the whole lot? Actually, I think you see that very thing happen now and again. It's quite fun to see, and can also present opportunities for the quick-witted.
bastuncriochnatha
Posts: 35
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:57 pm

Weemac,
I beg your forviveness. I understood Spoofing to be an undesireable practice hardly worthy of the consideration of the Thought Police, whomsoever they might be beyond the thinking of an agitated SF fan (not yourself, of course!).
Given ,then, that Spoofing obviously occurs... ref Google and Spoofing..(but referred to earlier in Dallas' post, albeit neithe of which were headed as Spoofing, making their access obscure ), all that I am looking for are a few cautionary notes on the this practice.

With regards
eightbo
Posts: 2263
Joined: Sun May 17, 2015 8:19 pm

It may be immoral depending on your personal compass but it's currently a valid part of the meta game, they're taking on risk with those orders and it's up to the other market participants to adapt.
weemac
Posts: 1494
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:16 pm

bastuncriochnatha wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 5:11 pm
Weemac,
I beg your forviveness. I understood Spoofing to be an undesireable practice hardly worthy of the consideration of the Thought Police, whomsoever they might be beyond the thinking of an agitated SF fan (not yourself, of course!).
Given ,then, that Spoofing obviously occurs... ref Google and Spoofing..(but referred to earlier in Dallas' post, albeit neithe of which were headed as Spoofing, making their access obscure ), all that I am looking for are a few cautionary notes on the this practice.

With regards
What's to forgive? I'm ambivalent on the desirability or otherwise of the practice.

People will do what they want in a betting market. Caveat emptor.
User avatar
BetScalper
Posts: 1139
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:47 pm

Peter made a video showing a spoof trader and decided to take him/her/robot on for a bit of fun.

Very funny to watch. Personally I wouldn’t have attempted it but Peter knew what he was doing and made a profit out of it.

Sadly I don’t think the spoofer/robot found it funny at all. :)
User avatar
Bog
Posts: 198
Joined: Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:19 am

BetScalper wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 8:24 pm
Peter made a video showing a spoof trader and decided to take him/her/robot on for a bit of fun.

Very funny to watch. Personally I wouldn’t have attempted it but Peter knew what he was doing and made a profit out of it.

Sadly I don’t think the spoofer/robot found it funny at all. :)
Link for the video? :D thanks
User avatar
Derek27
Posts: 25159
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:44 am

I wouldn't mind seeing the video if anyone can post a link. I feel for fat finger victims even though I find it amusing but there's very little sympathy around for spoofers who get stung.
User avatar
BetScalper
Posts: 1139
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:47 pm

I can’t remember who reposted the video link in January. Might have been Dallas.

They were trying to Boss the market with about 3k either side of a selections odds in a fairly flat market. I am sure Peter lost a few ££ pounds while playing the spoofer but then nailed him for allot more ££££.
User avatar
Derek27
Posts: 25159
Joined: Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:44 am

Not sure if this is the one but it's an interesting video.

Peter Webb - 'Feeling' the trading activity of others
bastuncriochnatha
Posts: 35
Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:57 pm

To Weemac: I am a newbie as is clearly seen and so have no intention of taking on spoofers. This is strongly advised as only appropriate for experienced and advanced Traders. As for quick-witted..ah well! I am praying to the Ultimate (whilst being practical, and keepin a weather eye on emerging Neutropics, my being 69...but HOPEFULL and even more so DETERMINED and DOGGED). Also, BTW, hoping that Jesus has no hard feelings against me.
As to "whats to forgive?". Well now, your perception that I had appointed myself a member of the Thought Police. LOL. Among my hobbies is the practice of exposing the mental machinations of Thought Police for the garbage that it is. I needed forgiveness for triggering that unfortunate thought in you head. Forgiven??
...and "only the bettor understands her/his motives in these cases". Really? Big money coming in on a horse, sometimes at long odds, and pulled as soon as a danger of it coming under matching threat arises. Maybe there is some brilliant and obscure motivation here but this poor mind can only see SPOOF.

To eightbo:
Despite my rather flowery decription of Spoofers as low-lifes I do not put myself on the moral highground! Far from it. I have spent the greater part of my life dodging and scrabbling around in the foothills of Morality. I am merely looking for some expert thought on how to recognise the phenomenon so that I can, as a newbie, avoid it!

To BetScalper
: A link would much appreciated
weemac
Posts: 1494
Joined: Mon Sep 16, 2013 8:16 pm

bastuncriochnatha wrote:
Sat May 04, 2019 12:10 pm
To Weemac:
As to "whats to forgive?". Well now, your perception that I had appointed myself a member of the Thought Police. LOL.
Nope, I have no such perception of you.

All the best in your dotage. I shall be joining you somewhat sooner than I'd wish.
Post Reply

Return to “Bet Angel for newbies / Getting started”