What??!!!
You might have to change your tune in a few months.
This might be as good as it gets for Remainers and the left.
EU Membership Referendum (Brexit)
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superfrank
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You might have to change your tune in a few months.
This might be as good as it gets for Remainers and the left.
Just when it looks like it couldn't get any more of a joke Kinnock's amendment to bring back Mays WA4 was passed by accident because the government didn't provide any tellers to do the count.
and Labour now wants the amendment removed in the lords!
Where is Spitting Image when you want it?
It would be one of the highest-rated shows if it was brought back
and Labour now wants the amendment removed in the lords!
Where is Spitting Image when you want it?
It would be one of the highest-rated shows if it was brought back
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ShaunWhite
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I'd rather have decisions made by the great and the good considering the wellbeing of the nation than people deciding what's best for their own careers. 'Unelected' is used as a derogatory term but the principal behind it is that it enables frank debate elevated above personal agendas. I know the Lords have party affiliations (excl independents) but their voting record shows they're fiercely belligerent. 'Democracy', whatever the result, rarely delivers what's in the wider national interest as most people only vote for what suits their own personal situation.
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ruthlessimon
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If it's law Boris has to ask for an extension - what happens if he refuses?
they gonna put him in jail? Srs question
they gonna put him in jail? Srs question
He could be taken to court for not implementing a lawful bill of Parliament.ruthlessimon wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:21 pmIf it's law Boris has to ask for an extension - what happens if he refuses?
they gonna put him in jail? Srs question
However, the UK is still a member of the EU. Therefore, he could goto Brussels, ask for an extension and then when voting takes place, veto his own request. If not all member states agree then its refused by default i think. Also, he could get one of his own MP's to table a vote of no confidence in the PM which would not need 2/3 of Parliament to agree. Then there would be 14 days for the others to try and form a government. That's where it gets kind of strange as the Queen's Privy Council has Mr Mog and Mr Smith on it and they could advise the Queen not to sign off on Mr Corbyn or whoever becoming the new PM or she could in theory refuse to meet with them. Although that would cause one hell of a ding dong and probably mean Parliament voting to exclude the Queen from all Parliament business.
Personally, if I was Boris then I would declare a state of emergency and have the Army surround Parliament, lock the doors and prevent them from sitting. Obviously that would put the Police v Army and create a bit of instability.
But being serious, one thing is for sure, this cant go on anymore, its been 3 years. Time for a GE whereby Boris does a deal with Farage and they don't stand against each other in the top 100 seats. Forget about London, Corbyn and Labour can't win a majority unless they take the NW and NE. Given they were leave areas and most Labour MP's have screwed them over then it could all be to play for. Unless ofcourse everyone votes LD / Greens etc.
Interesting times ahead......
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superfrank
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With respect that's nonsense. Who decides who are "the great and good"? The vast majority of Lords are political appointments and the system is abused. Blair for instance created 203 life peers during his time in office (Tony's Cronies they were nicknamed) and the Lords now has a left wing bent despite the Conservatives having been in office for roughly double the time of Labour in the last 50 years.ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:29 pmI'd rather have decisions made by the great and the good considering the wellbeing of the nation than people deciding what's best for their own careers. 'Unelected' is used as a derogatory term but the principal behind it is that it enables frank debate elevated above personal agendas. I know the Lords have party affiliations (excl independents) but their voting record shows they're fiercely belligerent. 'Democracy', whatever the result, rarely delivers what's in the wider national interest as most people only vote for what suits their own personal situation.
Democracy is flawed in many respects, but the alternatives are much much worse.
The Lords should be abolished imo.
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ShaunWhite
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The only real interesting thing is the imminent demise of the planet. Our grandchildren won't care about Europe when they're dying in the war for food and habitable land. All of this is utterly futile and there's never been a clearer case of Nero fiddling while Rome burns. I'm voting Green because frankly everything else seems trivial.
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ShaunWhite
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We never agree on anything and never will so the fact we disagree about this isn't a surprise.
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superfrank
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It would be no fun if everyone had the same opinion.ShaunWhite wrote: ↑Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:45 pmWe never agree on anything and never will so the fact we disagree about this isn't a surprise.
I'm right wing but recycle like a mad man, am a massive fan of offshore wind power, hate diesel with a passion and would be very happy with a nationalised railway.
We probably agree on more than you imagine.
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ruthlessimon
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Well, if he refuses to go back and ask for a deal as instructed to do so by Parliament then he could end up in court and prison. But he cant be taken to court and sent to prison if he goes back, asks for an extension and then veto's it because those are the rules under the European parliament as all 27 have to agree.
Watch this space.....