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Beginning to get a bit paranoid about VAR. The Spurs goal allowed yesterday was reported as stonewall handball. Yet a LFC player was clearely fouled in the run up to a goal. We seem to have ended up with just as much debate but its decided by someone in a VAR studio.

I get the feeling, your allegiance is getting the better of you again. Do I need to post pics of Mane angleshooting again

Gun to my head, was it a foul on Origi before United's goal, yes or no. Yeah probably. Clearly though, not a chance. Same for the Alli handball, gun to head, probably yeah. Stonewall, not a chance. Which makes both correct calls, if we're to follow the clear and obvious guideline.

Rather the issue for me is this. They're taking too long with these decisions. The Origi foul being the perfect example. If the VAR ref cannot spot instantly during play, or at most one quick replay, that something clear and obvious has been missed, then it by definition isn't. All this slowing it down and zooming in, they can feck right off with.

The illussion that VAR was or is going to eradicate unfair decisions and end controversy still persists. It was never going to be the case. So they should feeding it, by continuing to make what is still judgement calls on review.

So the instances described by Wolf and the Deli Alli, Origi and Mane. Are they clear and obvious? It seems VAR is now examining everthing in minute detail and the flow of the game is turning into an American Football staccato, not scheduled for adverts, but for VAR to pore over an incident.
Have to admit I didn't see this coming, I thought it would be a fair, objective process by experts.
Instead, its becoming farcical in its disruption of the flow of the game.
Perhaps the suggestion of 3 challenges for each Manager is a possibility? Forget who suggested that on here but....maybe?

[Kafkaesque]

Beginning to get a bit paranoid about VAR. The Spurs goal allowed yesterday was reported as stonewall handball. Yet a LFC player was clearely fouled in the run up to a goal. We seem to have ended up with just as much debate but its decided by someone in a VAR studio.

I get the feeling, your allegiance is getting the better of you again. Do I need to post pics of Mane angleshooting again

Gun to my head, was it a foul on Origi before United's goal, yes or no. Yeah probably. Clearly though, not a chance. Same for the Alli handball, gun to head, probably yeah. Stonewall, not a chance. Which makes both correct calls, if we're to follow the clear and obvious guideline.

Rather the issue for me is this. They're taking too long with these decisions. The Origi foul being the perfect example. If the VAR ref cannot spot instantly during play, or at most one quick replay, that something clear and obvious has been missed, then it by definition isn't. All this slowing it down and zooming in, they can feck right off with.

The illussion that VAR was or is going to eradicate unfair decisions and end controversy still persists. It was never going to be the case. So they should feeding it, by continuing to make what is still judgement calls on review.

So the instances described by Wolf and the Deli Alli, Origi and Mane. Are they clear and obvious? It seems VAR is now examining everthing in minute detail and the flow of the game is turning into an American Football staccato, not scheduled for adverts, but for VAR to pore over an incident.
Have to admit I didn't see this coming, I thought it would be a fair, objective process by experts.
Instead, its becoming farcical in its disruption of the flow of the game.
Perhaps the suggestion of 3 challenges for each Manager is a possibility? Forget who suggested that on here but....maybe?

I must admit, I somehow managed to miss Wolf's post. He's basically saying the same thing, I am. And it seems you're in agreement as well. It shouldn't be all this stop and start sillyness.

No, they're not clear and obvious in any of the three cases imho.

[Atho55]

There is a 4th official who just as easily look at the pitchside monitor and offer the ref his opinion or is that too simple for the FA....

[Kafkaesque]

There is a 4th official who just as easily look at the pitchside monitor and offer the ref his opinion or is that too simple for the FA....

It wouldn't solve the problems at hand. And worse it would open up a different can of worms, since managers are already allowed all sorts of sh!thousery towards the 4th official now that he (virtually) doesn't have any real decision-making powers. If that changed, the FA and refs would have to actually deal with from most managers, and mostly so from the one manager, who's a real darling to the media and a fair few on here But, dare I say, a right *insert not so nice word* to, as I gather, a significant majority of fans from other clubs.

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There is a 4th official who just as easily look at the pitchside monitor and offer the ref his opinion or is that too simple for the FA....

It wouldn't solve the problems at hand. And worse it would open up a different can of worms, since managers are already allowed all sorts of sh!thousery towards the 4th official now that he (virtually) doesn't have any real decision-making powers. If that changed, the FA and refs would have to actually deal with from most managers, and mostly so from the one manager, who's a real darling to the media and a fair few on here But, dare I say, a right *insert not so nice word* to, as I gather, a significant majority of fans from other clubs.

Its pretty complex. Football has lot of subjective incidents. How do you make the the rght decision more often than not. Anyway, Liverpool V Spurs, hope its a great game and may the best team win. rather than VAR.

[Kafkaesque]

There is a 4th official who just as easily look at the pitchside monitor and offer the ref his opinion or is that too simple for the FA....

It wouldn't solve the problems at hand. And worse it would open up a different can of worms, since managers are already allowed all sorts of sh!thousery towards the 4th official now that he (virtually) doesn't have any real decision-making powers. If that changed, the FA and refs would have to actually deal with from most managers, and mostly so from the one manager, who's a real darling to the media and a fair few on here But, dare I say, a right *insert not so nice word* to, as I gather, a significant majority of fans from other clubs.

Its pretty complex. Football has lot of subjective incidents. How do you make the the rght decision more often than not. Anyway, Liverpool V Spurs, hope its a great game and may the best team win. rather than VAR.

Sod that!!! May the worst team win I'll take a scrappy one point, if you're offering

[greenmark]

It wouldn't solve the problems at hand. And worse it would open up a different can of worms, since managers are already allowed all sorts of sh!thousery towards the 4th official now that he (virtually) doesn't have any real decision-making powers. If that changed, the FA and refs would have to actually deal with from most managers, and mostly so from the one manager, who's a real darling to the media and a fair few on here But, dare I say, a right *insert not so nice word* to, as I gather, a significant majority of fans from other clubs.

Its pretty complex. Football has lot of subjective incidents. How do you make the the rght decision more often than not. Anyway, Liverpool V Spurs, hope its a great game and may the best team win. rather than VAR.

Sod that!!! May the worst team win I'll take a scrappy one point, if you're offering

Well, I love the way Spurs and LFC have muscled their way into the top 4, I don't believe Spurs are done yet.
On another front, just seen Mourinho in a Paddypower advert....how are the mighty fallen!!

[JustLukeYou]

Its pretty complex. Football has lot of subjective incidents. How do you make the the rght decision more often than not. Anyway, Liverpool V Spurs, hope its a great game and may the best team win. rather than VAR.

Sod that!!! May the worst team win I'll take a scrappy one point, if you're offering

Well, I love the way Spurs and LFC have muscled their way into the top 4, I don't believe Spurs are done yet.
On another front, just seen Mourinho in a Paddypower advert....how are the mighty fallen!!

And he rejected Lyon.

[Kafkaesque]

Anyone care to venture a guess as to which one of these two gentlemen Greenmark is

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -Genk.html

Step 1: Travel to the wrong city
Step 2: Wonder why you can't seem to find the stadium
Step 3: Post it on Facebook
Step 4: Tell the press that you were "hoping the story would fly under the radar"

I honestly cannot decide which one these parts is the worst

[greenmark]

Anyone care to venture a guess as to which one of these two gentlemen Greenmark is

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -Genk.html

Step 1: Travel to the wrong city
Step 2: Wonder why you can't seem to find the stadium
Step 3: Post it on Facebook
Step 4: Tell the press that you were "hoping the story would fly under the radar"

I honestly cannot decide which one these parts is the worst

Well, I've never wound up in the wrong city, but do have a bad sense of direction/inability to navigate accurately with map and compass. Ended up on the wrong Lake District peak more than once, as well as underestimating time/distance and and ending up being benighted.
I don't recommend the latter. Walking over rough ground using a head torch is trickier than it sounds.
But thanks for the witty ridicule.

[Euler]

Liquidity on some of the Europa League correct score markets is really weak. Been experimenting with a few things this week, but it's tough to exit without taking a price.

[jamesg46]

I feel the price for Southampton to win tonight and the Over 2.5 is very generous, anybody else?

[Kafkaesque]

I feel the price for Southampton to win tonight and the Over 2.5 is very generous, anybody else?

I feel there's - barring a dropoff - definitely some value against Leicester coming up, as they're fast becoming the top 6, maybe top4, disrupting darlings. Southampton are just too sporatic for me to pull the trigger just yet, with the price on offer.

[Euler]

I'm confused by Saints at the moment. I can't easily read how they are going to play. It's a 'too hard' for me.

[jamesg46]

I hadn't looked into the future Kafkaesque, I can see it now... Leicester the top 4 Christmas Grinch. I was going to add to my previous comment, "no biased Peter opinions welcome" but I had a feeling you were not about to give one. I hope for the sake of the fans & mainly my wallet that Southampton pull it off tonight