Greyhound Mystique

[wearthefoxhat]

Being a Southampton lad, I obviously know Bournemouth very well

That Bournemouth photo was from an old racetrack called Ensbury Park. It was built on an old aerodrome vacated by the RAF at the end of WW1. A stadium was built by McAlpine, but only lasted 3 years 1925-1928. They hosted both National Hunt horses and Greyhounds

The racetrack went bankrupt and in 1934 was demolished for housing in the expanding area of Kinson

The Greyounds moved to a stadium called Victoria Park which is the home of Bournemouth Poppies. They have played there since 1890's and play in the Wessex League. The greyhound racing only lasted until 1934 when it shut. The council bought the stadium and leased it back to the football team

Nearby Poole started hosting greyhounds in 1960 and have since. It was the brainchild of Charlie Knott, who also owned Southampton Greyhound Stadium......which is another story

Cheers. It sure looks like greyhound was a very popular sport back then.

Nice info.

The White City one was probably before WW2 as well.

It's not going away anytime soon.

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[Crazyskier]

Pretty sure it does but they're no fun to post

Edit: here the last 100 days as there's nothing else to do

20-Feb-20 -31.76
24-Jan-20 -29.62
13-Dec-19 -73.72
3 losing days in 100 days! Your bots needs some changes Spreadbetting, too many mistakes

March +4498.53
February +4247.13
January +4999.88
December +3055.77

+16801.24
That's amazing, I don't know if it was an easy or a hard road to get this results, but I'm sure it was worth it. It seems finding value and beating the BSP it's the way to go, trading just pre-race it's for beginners

WOW! Those figures are astonishingly good and consistent! I've been botting the dogs and horses for several years, with literally thousands of hours studying and refining my systems, and do reasonably well with few losses (see image below for today's figures so far), but nowhere near £4k per month.

Also, to spreadbetting and BOG, can I ask you - do you find Betfair still docking charges for exceeding the 1,000 transactions per hour? I often have to restrict my bets into the market for fear of tripping over this. Thanks in advance

CS

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[wearthefoxhat]

Christ this is ridiculous! I had no idea greyhound racing had this many markets, I'm seriously considering upping my 50p test stakes already

Yep.... 137 markets today, start(ed) 11.01 ends 21.38

137 uk dog races, 92 aus dog races and 72 aus horse races. That's 291 markets so it's business as usual apart from the 20 or 30 UK horse races.

Exactly, dunno what all the fuss is about!

[wearthefoxhat]

Further snapshot of volume, including the averages.

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[spreadbetting]

WOW! Those figures are astonishingly good and consistent! I've been botting the dogs and horses for several years, with literally thousands of hours studying and refining my systems, and do reasonably well with few losses (see image below for today's figures so far), but nowhere near £4k per month.

Also, to spreadbetting and BOG, can I ask you - do you find Betfair still docking charges for exceeding the 1,000 transactions per hour? I often have to restrict my bets into the market for fear of tripping over this. Thanks in advance

£65 for 64 isn't bad , Crazyskier, my averages aren't too much higher I just pile thru as many races as I can.

Regarding the 1,000 transactions I never bother checking these days and just let bots do their thing as Betfair do offset any transaction charges against any commission you pay so each £1 comms will get you another 100 transactions. Guess it all depends on how many bets you expect to fire and how much in comms you generate a day, but worth doing a few calcs as there's no point stopping early if your comms is giving you that extra 1000 bets or so. My bets don't actually fire off too many bets per market even if they do play alot of markets and only ever paid transaction charges twice as far as I can remember.

[Crazyskier]

WOW! Those figures are astonishingly good and consistent! I've been botting the dogs and horses for several years, with literally thousands of hours studying and refining my systems, and do reasonably well with few losses (see image below for today's figures so far), but nowhere near £4k per month.

Also, to spreadbetting and BOG, can I ask you - do you find Betfair still docking charges for exceeding the 1,000 transactions per hour? I often have to restrict my bets into the market for fear of tripping over this. Thanks in advance

£65 for 64 isn't bad , Crazyskier, my averages aren't too much higher I just pile thru as many races as I can.

Regarding the 1,000 transactions I never bother checking these days and just let bots do their thing as Betfair do offset any transaction charges against any commission you pay so each £1 comms will get you another 100 transactions. Guess it all depends on how many bets you expect to fire and how much in comms you generate a day, but worth doing a few calcs as there's no point stopping early if your comms is giving you that extra 1000 bets or so. My bets don't actually fire off too many bets per market even if they do play alot of markets and only ever paid transaction charges twice as far as I can remember.

OK, cheers for that. Seems like they do still charge. and my deal is the basic 2% fixed commission now, so not sure there's too much commission to soak up the extra transactions, but I have sometimes gone a few over the 1,000 and not noticed any charges applied (though I'm not sure if the charges show in P&L anyway, tbh)

Thanks for the response.

CS

[Bog]

I did have a bum day in Feb last year if it helps Bog, well before Archery started posting though. In general the simple fact there are so many races mean daily results usually prove positive. The actual average per race is a pittance sadly , hopefully now people have little else to bet on I can increase botting stakes and profits.

14-Feb-19 -737.04

Yes, that was a bad day Big odds winner? I know traders need to protect the edge they have, but I was curios, every dog it's a potential candidate for a trade no matter the odds or do if the odds are to big it's better to ignore it? I see sometimes dogs that drifts form 20 to 60-70 in 5-10 seconds before start.

[PeterLe]

Pretty sure it does but they're no fun to post

Edit: here the last 100 days as there's nothing else to do

20-Feb-20 -31.76
24-Jan-20 -29.62
13-Dec-19 -73.72
3 losing days in 100 days! Your bots needs some changes Spreadbetting, too many mistakes

March +4498.53
February +4247.13
January +4999.88
December +3055.77

+16801.24
That's amazing, I don't know if it was an easy or a hard road to get this results, but I'm sure it was worth it. It seems finding value and beating the BSP it's the way to go, trading just pre-race it's for beginners

WOW! Those figures are astonishingly good and consistent! I've been botting the dogs and horses for several years, with literally thousands of hours studying and refining my systems, and do reasonably well with few losses (see image below for today's figures so far), but nowhere near £4k per month.

Also, to spreadbetting and BOG, can I ask you - do you find Betfair still docking charges for exceeding the 1,000 transactions per hour? I often have to restrict my bets into the market for fear of tripping over this. Thanks in advance

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Hi CS
I remember you putting in all that work many years ago; glad its paying off for you!
Regards
Peter

[Crazyskier]

20-Feb-20 -31.76
24-Jan-20 -29.62
13-Dec-19 -73.72
3 losing days in 100 days! Your bots needs some changes Spreadbetting, too many mistakes

March +4498.53
February +4247.13
January +4999.88
December +3055.77

+16801.24
That's amazing, I don't know if it was an easy or a hard road to get this results, but I'm sure it was worth it. It seems finding value and beating the BSP it's the way to go, trading just pre-race it's for beginners

WOW! Those figures are astonishingly good and consistent! I've been botting the dogs and horses for several years, with literally thousands of hours studying and refining my systems, and do reasonably well with few losses (see image below for today's figures so far), but nowhere near £4k per month.

Also, to spreadbetting and BOG, can I ask you - do you find Betfair still docking charges for exceeding the 1,000 transactions per hour? I often have to restrict my bets into the market for fear of tripping over this. Thanks in advance

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Hi CS
I remember you putting in all that work many years ago; glad its paying off for you!
Regards
Peter

Bless you Peter. Indeed, Dallas, JollyGreen, Jimbit, yourself and many others were all very generous answering my newbie queries and I remain very grateful for those pearls of wisdom.

CS

[Bog]

Also, to spreadbetting and BOG, can I ask you - do you find Betfair still docking charges for exceeding the 1,000 transactions per hour? I often have to restrict my bets into the market for fear of tripping over this. Thanks in advance

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Hi Crazyskier. I was charged one time for more than 1000 transaction, but that was because I was trading manually & chaotic with £2 and too many clicks, it was a test

I had same dilemma for bots, worrying about 1,000 transactions per hour, so cheers to Spreadbetting for clarification. But I always see bots that place a bet in front of you every time. If that bot does that 1000 times? It will pay charges?

I think your results are very good. Do you always trade out before the start? Also I saw that you and Spreadbetting trading place markets. I didn't knew it's a tradable market to be honest. I took a look there and I only saw fast moving bots, so I left

[spreadbetting]

OK, cheers for that. Seems like they do still charge. and my deal is the basic 2% fixed commission now, so not sure there's too much commission to soak up the extra transactions, but I have sometimes gone a few over the 1,000 and not noticed any charges applied (though I'm not sure if the charges show in P&L anyway, tbh)

Thanks for the response.

CS

I think the transaction charges show up as other charges on your premium charges page under the lifetime summary.

[wearthefoxhat]

Snapshot latest....

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[Bog]

Question for traders with profitable bots: do you first traded manually greyhounds markets and after that automated your strategy? Cheers

[Dallas]

Sometimes i'll just use raw data and construct a bot to try and exploit something I've found, but if not that then yes i'll will manually trade or observe the markets for a pattern that can be automated in some way.

[wearthefoxhat]

Question for traders with profitable bots: do you first traded manually greyhounds markets and after that automated your strategy? Cheers

FWIW, I find it best to semi-automate. Either manually enter the trade then allow a bot to take profit/loss, or, allow the bot to enter when conditions are right, then manually exit with one click.

There's no cash out button on the greyhounds..at the moment. That might change if/when the volume ramps up.