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Archery1969
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jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:53 pm
This has to be the greatest modern day social experiment or will become a modern day social study... we have got to the point where we check our last potential infection scenario, who we touched, who we kissed, who sneezed, who coughed.... wow, I think social behaviour is gonna change long term.
Isnt that the reason why Italy is in sucj a mess. People were still going out to bars, clubs and restaurants, kissing and hugging when the government told them to stay at home ?
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superfrank
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Euler wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:33 pm
greenmark wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:24 pm
Wow "Government to pay 80% of wages for employees not working, up to £2,500 a month".
This is going to cost future generations a small fortune.
The self-employed are exempt!

So an employed person on £25k a year will be supported indirectly to the tune of £20k a year so their employer doesn't make them redundant, but a self-employed person will be entitled to nothing (unless they've got the virus in which case they'll be entitled to receive benefits worth the same amount as statutory sick pay - £94 a week!). All state employees will obviously get 100% of their wages, pension contributions etc. paid indefinitely whether they're a nurse putting their life at risk or a paper-pusher in a quango.

I think paying a temporary universal basic income to everyone would make more sense, be fairer and not be open to abuse (as this job retention scheme no doubt will be).
offlimit88
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Hi, some news from Italy.
As you know we invited a chinese team in order to help organise the lockdown in Lombardy.
Well, one of their proposal is to check temperature of every person in the region in every house, like they did in Wuhan.
Once a suspected with fever is found, he will be "deported" by the autorities in a public quarantine structure.
I m not sure if my government will listen to this proposal, just let us die free at this point
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Archery1969
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superfrank wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:09 pm
Euler wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:33 pm
greenmark wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:24 pm
Wow "Government to pay 80% of wages for employees not working, up to £2,500 a month".
This is going to cost future generations a small fortune.
The self-employed are exempt!

So an employed person on £25k a year will be supported indirectly to the tune of £20k a year so their employer doesn't make them redundant, but a self-employed person will be entitled to nothing (unless they've got the virus in which case they'll be entitled to receive benefits worth the same amount as statutory sick pay - £94 a week!). All state employees will obviously get 100% of their wages, pension contributions etc. paid indefinitely whether they're a nurse putting their life at risk or a paper-pusher in a quango.

I think paying a temporary universal basic income to everyone would make more sense, be fairer and not be open to abuse (as this job retention scheme no doubt will be).
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I have never understood why there is not a rent cap in the UK, espeically in London.

Lived in holland and Norway for awhile and landlords can only charge a set rate per sq meter of space.
jamesg46
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I'd put good money down on a bet that somebody would buy someone elses last grasp of air right now....
greenmark
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offlimit88 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:11 pm
Hi, some news from Italy.
As you know we invited a chinese team in order to help organise the lockdown in Lombardy.
Well, one of their proposal is to check temperature of every person in the region in every house, like they did in Wuhan.
Once a suspected with fever is found, he will be "deported" by the autorities in a public quarantine structure.
I m not sure if my government will listen to this proposal, just let us die free at this point
What do you mean by 'deported'?
But also we really feel for you in Italy, but average Joe has no way to help!
Hopefully that will change.
i don't know what the italian is for "we love you and want to help".
Thats my feeling.
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Derek27
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One positive about C19 is that when you have a crap now you feel really lucky and appreciative of having bog roll. :lol:
Lutruwita
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Archery1969 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:12 pm
superfrank wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:09 pm
Euler wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:33 pm


This is going to cost future generations a small fortune.
The self-employed are exempt!

So an employed person on £25k a year will be supported indirectly to the tune of £20k a year so their employer doesn't make them redundant, but a self-employed person will be entitled to nothing (unless they've got the virus in which case they'll be entitled to receive benefits worth the same amount as statutory sick pay - £94 a week!). All state employees will obviously get 100% of their wages, pension contributions etc. paid indefinitely whether they're a nurse putting their life at risk or a paper-pusher in a quango.

I think paying a temporary universal basic income to everyone would make more sense, be fairer and not be open to abuse (as this job retention scheme no doubt will be).
+ 1

I have never understood why there is not a rent cap in the UK, espeically in London.

Lived in holland and Norway for awhile and landlords can only charge a set rate per sq meter of space.
Ah. Because it's an abject failure of a policy.

Britain did have 'rent control'. Privately built rental housing fell from 61% of all housing in 1947 to 14% in 1977. By in the 1970s, landlords would not upgrade housing, very little new housing was built, middle class horded housing with many instances of single 55-year-old ladies in 3 bedroom houses and it was very difficult to find housing. That was except for wealthy types as construction resources shifted towards luxury housing.

Same in Melbourne with rent control after WW2, no apartments were built for 9 years as a result. In Egypt in the 1960s housing was ruined with consequences still felt. Rent control restricts housing turnover as people don't want to leave their 'rent controlled' house even if they work 50km away. The implications are that it's difficult to access housing. For instance, waits for housing in Sweden can be years in Stockholm and other cities. Its a farce in New York and California etc.
Jukebox
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A bad thing about being a trader at this time is familiarity with cumulative growth and how readily we calculate the figures.
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PDC
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Trump declares major disaster in New York and positive cases in the VP's office. How long until Trump has it....
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Derek27
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I hope the electorate remember his "don't worry, it will pass" attitude. A reporter asked a genuine question about people being frightened, which is reality, probably hoping Trump might reassure them. Some chance of that!
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PDC
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Derek27 wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:48 am
A reporter asked a genuine question about people being frightened, which is reality, probably hoping Trump might reassure them. Some chance of that!
This is it if people didn't see it:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/medi ... index.html
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PDC
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PDC wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:45 pm
Sure many of you have seen the last few days Ant Middleton from Channel 4's SAS Who Dares Wins has been doing his best to ruin his own career on Instagram but just noticed he was trending on Twitter so thought I would look and this has to be one of the best tweets to date in all this Corona Virus stuff:

Brilliant!

https://twitter.com/JHeadspeath/status/ ... 24576?s=09

:lol: :lol: :lol:
He has now removed his previous videos and back tracked about his previous "advice".

Still he has given us a brilliant meme, as linked to above.
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Euler
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My walk this morning was like drifting through the set of a dystopian movie.
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