Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Archery1969]

........will be stuffed and back of the queue for a ventilator that we haven’t ordered yet.

I don't think it will matter where you are in the queue if the ventilator hasn't been ordered yet.

Meanwhile I'm checking if the hose on my Dyson will fit in the blow end.

ICU in the UK has already started prioritising who gets put on a ventilator and who doesn’t. In South Korea that question was never asked even though they knew they were wasting their time with some patients as it was 99% certain they were going to die before they were admitted to hospital. They admitted and looked after them for tracing reasons as that was one of the conditions laid down by the government and health experts. In South Korean culture life should be preserved even if the outcome is 100% mortality. If your going to die then die with dignity.

[Derek27]

The USA and Western Europe will have a huge mortality rate in comparison.

The only country in the West that has a high death rate is Italy and even that has plateaued as it has ravaged their elderly and those who were already sick quickly. The most likely to die from the virus, those who are already sick, are not increasing in number.

You should contact the world health organisation or Boris, I'm sure theyd love to see your data, the real world numbers are amazingly good news, it means we arent facing the apocalypse.

You really are flipping thick.

+1, and incredibly uncaring about people dying!

Do you not have any elderly relatives marketraisen? The fact of the matter is that the virus causes pneumonia and severe breathing difficulties, particularly in elderly and already sick people, and there are not enough life support machines to cope with any more demand. Perhaps you feel an elderly person contracting the virus and dying needlessly is a small price to pay for your freedom to go down the pub?

NHS staff have been working 12+ hour shifts to help save lives and you don't think that's praiseworthy?

You started a thread about overcoming gambling addiction and felt free to ask for help yourself, and no doubt you'll expect help from doctors and nurses if you have any life-threatening condition. But thousands of people dying is amazingly good news to you because it's not enough to affect you!

[ShaunWhite]

A friend at the UN says cases are being detected in the favelas, slums, shantytowns and refugee camps. Social distancing? Not possible.

With poor general health and no hospitals, it could be truly horrific. If a cure is found I hope these people get it first, we live in a holiday camp compared to their situation with our full fridges and big tellys, we can wait another month I'm sure when it arrives. It's pure luck that we were born here and not waking up looking through their eyes, so I hope compassion doesn't stop and start where someone has drawn a line on a map.

[mcgoo]

A friend at the UN says cases are being detected in the favelas, slums, shantytowns and refugee camps. Social distancing? Not possible.

With poor general health and no hospitals, it could be truly horrific. If a cure is found I hope these people get it first, we live in a holiday camp compared to their situation with our full fridges and big tellys, we can wait another month I'm sure when it arrives. It's pure luck that we were born here and not waking up looking through their eyes, so I hope compassion doesn't stop and start where someone has drawn a line on a map.

Indeed Shaun. As my Sensei always says, we save ourselves by saving others.
I am finding Wim Hof breathing very helpful re stress. This too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzMuIlZ ... QciP6Ygkyw

Hopefully compassion will pull us all through together.

[Euler]

I've been watching and waiting to see what happens as it spreads elsewhere. You would think territories with high population densities could be locked down effectively but big wide open spaces like the US would be harder. As for the slums in South America, that looks a bit grim.

[Euler]

769 deaths in 24 hours in Spain. Feels like China were either very draconian or they massaged their numbers?

[Euler]

Boris has tested positive.

[jimibt]

Boris has tested positive.

there had to be something positive to come from him!!

[greenmark]

I have an inherent fear that if I go out and start clapping I might be the only one in the neighbourhood doing so.

Well, i thought that too, but in fact it was far from the case.
Weird, but moving to hear applause, cheering, whistling and car horns being sounded.

[jimibt]

[snip] .... the whole situation just adds to the surreal nature of whats going on out there in response to a virus thats killed less people in the UK than diarrhea this winter.

didn't respond to any of your earlier posts (on this topic) as it felt like you needed to express your angst. looking over some of your previous (other) posts i now *get* why you are so annoyed with the situation. it would appear that you had started to do reasonably well on the greyhounds and then suddenly, all UK sport ceased. my reading (rightly or wrongly) is that by downplaying the seriousness of the crisis, you are somehow hoping that everyone will align with your point of view and things will be back to normal (Trump style) by easter!!

sorry, but this is just not going to happen and if you have learned anything from your transition from gambling to trading, you'll know that interpretation of stats plays a major role in the success fo your strategy. as things stand, the exponential infection rate is still rampant and needs to be curbed before we either fall off the precipice or reduce and flatten the peak.

this is a frustration for all but a necessary step. i suggest you review the AUS greyhounds. out of interest, i took a look at them and can conclude that there's potential there if you are willing to adjust to the nuances present.

[greenmark]

The older generations might mostly be shut in with their partners but we can't realistically imagine that the younger generations will remain celibate for long.

How about the 5th time in 2021?

Isn't this the current strategy? Shutdown and relaxation driven by the load on ICU's?
That how we keep demand below NHS supply.
The unfortunate consequence is economic/social disruption.
But we'll get better at with each cycle.
And the govt has no choice, the alternative 'carry on and chuck the vulnerlable under a bus' would be political suicide.

[Jukebox]

One in five recovered/closed cases didn't end in death. It was one in four until yesterday's update.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

[Jukebox]

The older generations might mostly be shut in with their partners but we can't realistically imagine that the younger generations will remain celibate for long.

How about the 5th time in 2021?

Isn't this the current strategy? Shutdown and relaxation driven by the load on ICU's?
That how we keep demand below NHS supply.
The unfortunate consequence is economic/social disruption.
But we'll get better at with each cycle.
And the govt has no choice, the alternative 'carry on and chuck the vulnerlable under a bus' would be political suicide.

The problem might be encouraging enough people to step outside again so that they can 'take their turn'

[PDC]

Hopefully this projection from Imperial College is flawed....

Heres a thread retweeted by Elon Musk earlier. The person who made the early prediction, thats cost us trillions and reshaped the entire country, has downgraded his predictions to 20,000 dead total, half of whom wouldve died this year anyway.



https://www.newscientist.com/article/22 ... -predicts/

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[PDC]

Personally found the clapping tonight to be cringeworthy, I can appreciate the intention

I agree, speaking with friends who are workign in A&E and intensive care they said they felt exactly the same. To quote them:

[It is] All about making themselves feel good and is feck all help to the NHS. Same people who have been emptying the shelves of food and not staying home. Same people who eat and drink too much. Same people who smoke. Same people who don't eat healthy, don't exercise. Rather than clapping do some of that and it won't put us under so much pressure year round!

It’s just virtue signalling. Don’t actually see how their own actions contribute to burdening the NHS, whether it’s complaining about paying tax or missing appointments or insisting on pointless prescriptions for antibiotics

As for the new "hospitals" being "built" these aren't hospitals as we think of them. The level of care that is going to be given is very much sub optimal. You can put all the beds you want (if they can find, buy and set them up + all the other equipment that is needed) but you can't magically find trained staff. The staffing levels are not going to be anywhere near what they should be and is needed. Staff are going to be extremely spread out and staff are having to be "fast track" trained in using equipment etc that they have never used before.

Getting the hospitals online in time is a really large logistical issue.

Things are going to get a lot worse, starting in London and then the main commuter areas to/from London, so Birmingham and Derby look like the next hot spots.