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Emmson wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:21 pm
Kafkaesque wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 9:39 pm
Emmson wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 8:20 pm
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As someone else already said regarding Singapore, if you've spent time in some of these Asian countries, the attitudes of respect towards fellow people and authorities are of a different nature. Mask vs Lockdown is too binary and doesn't explain anything, when the difference could just as be pointed to as something geographical/cultural.
Face masks and the coronavirus – Masks probably slow the spread of covid-19 https://www.economist.com/science-and-t ... f-covid-19
I didn't mean to argue against masks in general, or even necessarily against it as an alternative to lock-down. I understood your post to having the intent to show or argue that masks are more effective than lock-down. This may have been a bias on my part, so do correct me if needed.

My point was and remains is that I'm of the opinion that masks vs lock-down are of lesser importance than having a populace where there's a common culture of respect. As oppossed to having leaders refusing masks where it would clearly make sense, not socially distancing, continuing to shake hands etc. And as a result a population believing they can/should be doing so as well, while also having a stronger feeling of, my rights comes first.

Lift the lock-down and go with masks if that makes sense. By all means. But if those who should be leading by example are twats and are acting like said twats, it matters not.
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Have been away for a few days and after drafting some responses I found there were far too many (left leaning) things said but in order to catch-up it was becoming an essay so have decided there is too much to disagree with so deleted comments I had drafted.
Derek27 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 11:04 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:32 pm
OK so let's start with "accused", you seem to believe that if anyone is accused of something then they must have done it, yes?
Can you not read? I said his silence suggests guilt.
I can read Derek but do you know the meaning of the words you read? I can never agree with "accused" meaning "guilty" nor "suggested" meaning "guilty"

Anyway to end on a modicum of agreement I do agree on the principle of your comment …
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Wed May 27, 2020 5:37 pm
I wish more MPs and journalists would pull up BJ and the rest for not answering the question. Usually the PM and his ministers ignore the question and talk about whatever they like and the questioner just sits there like a flipping lemon!
But why limit it to just "BJ and his ministers"? Do you really think that Starmer and his cronies (and Corbyn's band of misleaders before) and the Krankie and others answer the questions? If so it's no wonder you have such a biased view to waste resources getting a man fired rather than concentrate resources to fighting the virus. There is no statute of limitations on a criminal act so defeat the virus first then look at whether any crimes were committed. I don't know about you but I would rather survive and Cummings escapes with his job but you seem to prefer that you die with the satisfaction that Cummings was sacked. As Darwin said … survival of the fittest.
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Looks like South Korea, which did so well, now has a crisis situation after a number of fresh covid19 outbreaks. :o

29.05.2020 - 07.49

A cluster of new outbreaks in the South Korean capital, Seoul, has been described as a "crisis situation" by health officials.

Most of the new infections are linked to a distribution centre in Bucheon, just west of the city. Traces of Covid-19 have been found on the shoes and clothes of workers at the centre.

At least 56 new cases of Covid-19 have been recorded in the last 24 hours, down from a two-month high yesterday of 79.

But the concern among health officials is that these infections are close to highly populated areas.
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Kafkaesque wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:58 pm
Lift the lock-down and go with masks if that makes sense. By all means. But if those who should be leading by example are twats and are acting like said twats, it matters not.
I agree with the use of masks. They help stop the emission of the virus from the spreader but probably do little to stop the inhalation of the virus when air born because the filtration is not sufficient, so they will only be of significant advantage if everyone used them to reduce the emissions. But being visual they are easy to police and hopefully putting one on will keep people reminded that life is different now than before.
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As close as I can get to locations that could be worth avoiding for a few weeks.
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I live in No 8 so no chance of avoiding that...
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The week the media lost the plot
https://mailchi.mp/251f1fd8a6e5/the-wee ... t-the-plot
Our economy is in the toilet. The nation remains under house arrest. Covid-19 has ravaged care homes as a direct result of government policy. And what have we spent the past week talking about? The rights and wrongs of a drive to Barnard Castle. The Dominic Cummings non-scandal – which began to unravel within days of it first being reported – has revealed how partisan and unhinged the media class has become. These people are more interested in pursuing their own political agendas and personal beefs than getting to grips with this crisis. They increasingly blur opinion and fact. If we are going to hold the government to account we need a better, more principled media than this.
Joe Rogan has been a great watch during this crisis.

Joe Rogan Weighs In On Trump’s Clash with Asian-American Reporter
https://youtu.be/jmwYl0aqx3Q

Have a good weekend everyone.
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Nobody likes hypocrites, and when that hypocrite is in office and has the power to tell you what to do while he can do as he likes it's completely intolerable. That's all there is to it Frank. Nothing political, just personal.
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 6:38 am
Have been away for a few days and after drafting some responses I found there were far too many (left leaning) things said but in order to catch-up it was becoming an essay so have decided there is too much to disagree with so deleted comments I had drafted.
Derek27 wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 11:04 pm
firlandsfarm wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 9:32 pm
OK so let's start with "accused", you seem to believe that if anyone is accused of something then they must have done it, yes?
Can you not read? I said his silence suggests guilt.
I can read Derek but do you know the meaning of the words you read? I can never agree with "accused" meaning "guilty" nor "suggested" meaning "guilty"

Anyway to end on a modicum of agreement I do agree on the principle of your comment …
Derek27 wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 5:37 pm
I wish more MPs and journalists would pull up BJ and the rest for not answering the question. Usually the PM and his ministers ignore the question and talk about whatever they like and the questioner just sits there like a flipping lemon!
But why limit it to just "BJ and his ministers"? Do you really think that Starmer and his cronies (and Corbyn's band of misleaders before) and the Krankie and others answer the questions? If so it's no wonder you have such a biased view to waste resources getting a man fired rather than concentrate resources to fighting the virus. There is no statute of limitations on a criminal act so defeat the virus first then look at whether any crimes were committed. I don't know about you but I would rather survive and Cummings escapes with his job but you seem to prefer that you die with the satisfaction that Cummings was sacked. As Darwin said … survival of the fittest.
Unless you're accused of something with zero evidence, refusing to answer or deny and claiming you don't have time to waste answering (if that report was true) does indicate guilt. In this case, I would have been correct to assume guilt because he admitted making the trip.

I was focusing on BJ and his ministers because they are in power, Corbyn was never in a position to do any damage. I haven't heard Starmer avoid questions yet and being a barrister I reckon he'll fair much better, but I agree, Corbyn was infuriating when asked for an apology for anti-semitism, his position on Brexit, etc. By the time he eventually did apologise you could not give it any sincerity or credibility so it really was a needless own goal. I supported him because he was the only alternative to BJ, not because I liked the guy. It's in everybody's best interest that he's gone now.
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Cummings has something on Boris. All will be revealed when his book is published next year. Could well be a blockbuster and sell allot of copies.
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Yes, we'll have to find a way to sabotage it. ;)
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Archery1969 wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 5:52 pm
Cummings has something on Boris. All will be revealed when his book is published next year. Could well be a blockbuster and sell allot of copies.

https://twitter.com/WelshDalaiLama/stat ... 2450113543
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I like the Spec Savers in the middle ages gag. :lol:
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spreadbetting wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 7:51 pm
Archery1969 wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 5:52 pm
Cummings has something on Boris. All will be revealed when his book is published next year. Could well be a blockbuster and sell allot of copies.

https://twitter.com/WelshDalaiLama/stat ... 2450113543
Loved that.. 😀
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324 was a large figure for the latest deaths, if the next few are int he same ballpark I'm starting to have fears about what might happen with lockdown being eased.
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