Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Emmson]

I don't agree with those mass protest in London yesterday at this particular time though the cause is just one. I also do not agree with scenes like this on Southend beach a day or two earlier.

[Archery1969]

While i understand that the Police should not be judge, jury and executioner are all these protesters aware of Mr Floyd's somewhat chequered past ?

- 1998 Prison for armed robbery
- 2002 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2004 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2005 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2007 Prison for armed robbery of a pregnant woman

When arrested and pinned to the ground he was high on meths and about to drive his car.

Obviously an interesting individual....

[spreadbetting]

… the government has set an example, that your own personal judgement and instinct takes precedence over official guidance!

There's a world of difference between doing what you felt was right for your family and protesting about a situation over 3,000 miles away in a country that you have no influence in! This is just the LL rent a mob jumping on a bandwagon for entertainment.

Yep because obviously police discrimination and violence doesn't occur in the UK and it's only right you treat your wife to a trip out on her birthday.

[spreadbetting]

While i understand that the Police should not be judge, jury and executioner are all these protesters aware of Mr Floyd's somewhat chequered past ?

- 1998 Prison for armed robbery
- 2002 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2004 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2005 Prison for cocaine dealing
- 2007 Prison for armed robbery of a pregnant woman

When arrested and pinned to the ground he was high on meths and about to drive his car.

Obviously an interesting individual....

So that justifies kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes plus til they choke to death for crimes committed over 13 years ago and the heinous allegations of passing a fake £20. Who have thought such a caring tax paying community such as traders could be so pious?

[Kai]

Was only a matter of time before a black forumite got triggered

[Emmson]

Was only a matter of time before a black forumite got triggered

That is a rather large assumption, spreadbetting posted exactly how I feel and I am white.

[to75ne]

Was only a matter of time before a black forumite got triggered

That is a rather large assumption, spreadbetting posted exactly how I feel and I am white.

i would agree i think sb skin colour as no relevance at all to his reply; i find it strange that so many people seem to be ok with policemen in essence killing somebody in broad daylight and while knowingly being filmed and seemingly not giving a flying fuck.

since when did the police (even in america) have the power to kill people when they pose no threat to anyone

[superfrank]

i find it strange that so many people seem to be ok with policemen in essence killing somebody in broad daylight and while knowingly being filmed and seemingly not giving a flying fuck.

Nobody is "ok" with it. It was horrific, but the perpetrator has been properly dealt with.

Young black males commit a massively disproportionate amount of crime in the US but we never see lefties, students or the media getting outraged about that.

[sa7med]

i find it strange that so many people seem to be ok with policemen in essence killing somebody in broad daylight and while knowingly being filmed and seemingly not giving a flying fuck.

Nobody is "ok" with it. It was horrific, but the perpetrator has been properly dealt with.

Young black males commit a massively disproportionate amount of crime in the US but we never see lefties, students or the media getting outraged about that.

Someone needs a lesson in correlation vs causation

[spreadbetting]

Where ever you get poverty and social inequality you'll always get higher levels of crime , Frank, it's a little more complicated than black male =criminal.

[Trader Pat]

Police must be allowed to proactively target offenders without fear of being labelled racist'. This lesson was best illustrated when Police nationwide failed to robustly investigate the hundreds of young girls being groomed by gangs of men from largely Pakistani origin, for fear of being deemed racist and damaging community cohesion.
CS

Thats my queue to say goodbye to this particular thread, was only a matter of time before this was regurgitated. I'll let you get back to your 'Tommy Robinson for prime minister' campaign CS

Totally agree Crazyskier but there are those who think what they see as 'stood upon minorities' should not be policed!

If you're going to quote me then quote me properly, I have never once said minorities should not be policed, what I said was in some instances they are disproportionately policed.

There are plenty of comments on this thread (from everyone) that I agree with, and there are plenty of comments from the same people that I disagree with. However you have to be open to both sides of the argument, its not a balanced discourse if everything is seen through the lens of your political leaning.

I agree that some of the protests have been hijacked by those with ulterior motives but there are a lot of people who genuinely believe that something good can come out of this. I think its a shame when those people are viewed with skepticism and suspicion.

As for me I'd much rather walk on the optimistic side of the road than the cynical side.

[sa7med]

Democratic Candidates Ignore Evidence On Crime And Ensure That Racial Disparities Persist-
https://www.city-journal.org/democratic ... cism-crime

Just this month, the Bureau of Justice Statistics released its 2018 survey of criminal victimization. According to the study, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between blacks and whites last year, including white-on-black and black-on-white attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent.

You won't find anything like that in the mainstream news or see anyone protesting about it.

Well found Frank but all in vain, they never let a good fact get in the way of a bigoted protest.

Would be if it were actually a fact. This source has it wrong according to the source that they cite.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

Table 14

Percent of violent incidents, by victim and offender race or ethnicity, 2018
Offender race/ethnicity
Victim race/
ethnicity
Number of
violent incidents Total Whitea Blacka Hispanic Asiana Othera,b Multiple offenders
of various races
Whitea 3,581,360 100% 62.1%* 15.3% † 10.2% † 2.2% † 8.1% † 2.1% †
Blacka 563,940 100% 10.6 † 70.3* 7.9 † <0.1! 9.3 † 1.9 ! †
Hispanic 734,410 100% 28.2 † 15.3 † 45.4* 0.6! † 7.4 † 3.0 †
Asiana 182,230 100% 24.1 27.5 7.0 ! † 24.1* 14.4! 2.9 ! †

[neilb]

Democratic Candidates Ignore Evidence On Crime And Ensure That Racial Disparities Persist-
https://www.city-journal.org/democratic ... cism-crime

Just this month, the Bureau of Justice Statistics released its 2018 survey of criminal victimization. According to the study, there were 593,598 interracial violent victimizations (excluding homicide) between blacks and whites last year, including white-on-black and black-on-white attacks. Blacks committed 537,204 of those interracial felonies, or 90 percent, and whites committed 56,394 of them, or less than 10 percent.

You won't find anything like that in the mainstream news or see anyone protesting about it.

I can't find anything in the survey quoted that back up those figures.

[neilb]

Democratic Candidates Ignore Evidence On Crime And Ensure That Racial Disparities Persist-
https://www.city-journal.org/democratic ... cism-crime

You won't find anything like that in the mainstream news or see anyone protesting about it.

Well found Frank but all in vain, they never let a good fact get in the way of a bigoted protest.

Would be if it were actually a fact. This source has it wrong according to the source that they cite.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

Table 14

Percent of violent incidents, by victim and offender race or ethnicity, 2018
Offender race/ethnicity
Victim race/
ethnicity
Number of
violent incidents Total Whitea Blacka Hispanic Asiana Othera,b Multiple offenders
of various races
Whitea 3,581,360 100% 62.1%* 15.3% † 10.2% † 2.2% † 8.1% † 2.1% †
Blacka 563,940 100% 10.6 † 70.3* 7.9 † <0.1! 9.3 † 1.9 ! †
Hispanic 734,410 100% 28.2 † 15.3 † 45.4* 0.6! † 7.4 † 3.0 †
Asiana 182,230 100% 24.1 27.5 7.0 ! † 24.1* 14.4! 2.9 ! †

Sorry sa7med, must have been typing while you were posting.

[sa7med]

Well found Frank but all in vain, they never let a good fact get in the way of a bigoted protest.

Would be if it were actually a fact. This source has it wrong according to the source that they cite.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

Table 14

Percent of violent incidents, by victim and offender race or ethnicity, 2018
Offender race/ethnicity
Victim race/
ethnicity
Number of
violent incidents Total Whitea Blacka Hispanic Asiana Othera,b Multiple offenders
of various races
Whitea 3,581,360 100% 62.1%* 15.3% † 10.2% † 2.2% † 8.1% † 2.1% †
Blacka 563,940 100% 10.6 † 70.3* 7.9 † <0.1! 9.3 † 1.9 ! †
Hispanic 734,410 100% 28.2 † 15.3 † 45.4* 0.6! † 7.4 † 3.0 †
Asiana 182,230 100% 24.1 27.5 7.0 ! † 24.1* 14.4! 2.9 ! †

Sorry sa7med, must have been typing while you were posting.

All too often people base their entire arguments on questionable random articles posted on the internet without taking the time to check the sources. I think this is due to simply searching for evidence that supports you rather than being neutral in the search for evidence. Can't remember what that bias is called but it's definitely a trader pitfall and I would've thought seasoned traders would be more resistant to that kind of bias.

Not to mention the fact that even if that 'evidence' were true, it wouldn't really be definitive at all because you have to view it in a broader context. Again, causation vs correlation bias.

EDIT: It's called 'confirmation bias'!