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jamesg46
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https://youtu.be/YdkplpDAUIA

Yesterday's conversation in one video. Sky News Aus... is this fake news?
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jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:27 am
https://youtu.be/YdkplpDAUIA

Yesterday's conversation in one video. Sky News Aus... is this fake news?
I do find it strange how Biden keeps saying 'all votes need to be counted' and not 'all legal votes'

But Sky News Aus. is very conservative, pretty much the complete opposite of Sky News here in the UK
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Naffman wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:33 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:27 am
https://youtu.be/YdkplpDAUIA

Yesterday's conversation in one video. Sky News Aus... is this fake news?
I do find it strange how Biden keeps saying 'all votes need to be counted' and not 'all legal votes'

But Sky News Aus. is very conservative, pretty much the complete opposite of Sky News here in the UK
Does the legitimacy of the news come down to it being reported by Conservative media or non Conservative media outlets?

Is it basically people will believe whats said depending on the way they politically lean & the way that the person who's reporting it leans politically?
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I disagree, the best part would be if we got to trade it twice :D
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Biden in front in Georgia
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jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:45 am
Naffman wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:33 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:27 am
https://youtu.be/YdkplpDAUIA

Yesterday's conversation in one video. Sky News Aus... is this fake news?
I do find it strange how Biden keeps saying 'all votes need to be counted' and not 'all legal votes'

But Sky News Aus. is very conservative, pretty much the complete opposite of Sky News here in the UK
Does the legitimacy of the news come down to it being reported by Conservative media or non Conservative media outlets?

Is it basically people will believe whats said depending on the way they politically lean & the way that the person who's reporting it leans politically?
Of course there is an element of that James but as the guy in the video says, it's too many accusations to ignore. They should be fully investigated and the problem with allowing the counts to continue is that the 'challenged' ballot papers get mixed in with the mainstream ballot papers and even if some of these accusations are found to be proven they won't be able to extract them from any recount. The trouble with modern society is that the LL's have taken control of the majority of the key influencing positions (we saw it here in the UK with the struggle to see through the vote of the people with Brexit, the only thing they couldn't change was the vote but that didn't stop them from trying very hard) and their mantra is "do as we say, not as we do"!

I don't know what is good news and what is fake news but that there is sufficient doubt is enough for me to say it needs to be investigated. Without investigation the USA will have lost all credence to pass comment on any other election in the world. If they try to criticise any other election in any other country the response will be "remember 2020"!
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Finally got my betting bank back, for 3 days its been mired in that market. :D
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:23 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:45 am
Naffman wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:33 am


I do find it strange how Biden keeps saying 'all votes need to be counted' and not 'all legal votes'

But Sky News Aus. is very conservative, pretty much the complete opposite of Sky News here in the UK
Does the legitimacy of the news come down to it being reported by Conservative media or non Conservative media outlets?

Is it basically people will believe whats said depending on the way they politically lean & the way that the person who's reporting it leans politically?
Of course there is an element of that James but as the guy in the video says, it's too many accusations to ignore. They should be fully investigated and the problem with allowing the counts to continue is that the 'challenged' ballot papers get mixed in with the mainstream ballot papers and even if some of these accusations are found to be proven they won't be able to extract them from any recount. The trouble with modern society is that the LL's have taken control of the majority of the key influencing positions (we saw it here in the UK with the struggle to see through the vote of the people with Brexit, the only thing they couldn't change was the vote but that didn't stop them from trying very hard) and their mantra is "do as we say, not as we do"!

I don't know what is good news and what is fake news but that there is sufficient doubt is enough for me to say it needs to be investigated. Without investigation the USA will have lost all credence to pass comment on any other election in the world. If they try to criticise any other election in any other country the response will be "remember 2020"!
I don't remember the battle for the narrative being so vicious proir to 2016, maybe I wasn't paying attention. The rate of information flow now is staggering & the contradiction within it is uncontrollable, with every refresh there is a new video or post with an opinion contradicting a previous video or post... our thirst for it is scary. I guess there is some good reasons why data is now more valuable than oil. Twitter is unbelievable, ive often wondered if there is narrative players lurking the search functions, I mean how easy is it to set up camp under a random name in a left or right leaning group and flog narratives. Ive now gone off on some bizarre thought splurge and can't even remember if my reply is relative to yours, I'd be useless as a narrative salesman :lol:
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jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:58 am
I don't remember the battle for the narrative being so vicious proir to 2016, maybe I wasn't paying attention. The rate of information flow now is staggering & the contradiction within it is uncontrollable, with every refresh there is a new video or post with an opinion contradicting a previous video or post... our thirst for it is scary. I guess there is some good reasons why data is now more valuable than oil. Twitter is unbelievable, ive often wondered if there is narrative players lurking the search functions, I mean how easy is it to set up camp under a random name in a left or right leaning group and flog narratives. Ive now gone off on some bizarre thought splurge and can't even remember if my reply is relative to yours, I'd be useless as a narrative salesman :lol:
It wasn't as bad at anytime before because every new smartphone user now becomes a potential 'expert' come narrator! And you have no real idea who they really are ... look at Donald Trump on this forum (no criticism of name nor content, just an example of how easy it is to be someone else). Just think in 4 years time. Add to that the SM gods being able to influence control over what is published and what is not and you have future elections falling more and more within their control. They could be reined back if a rule was instigated that if you control content you become publishers and fall within publishers' regulations. If you claim you are simply a platform then you cannot control content (unless the content itself breaches the law) but then society will have to ready itself for stuff to be published that it finds abhorrent. At present we are getting the worst of both ... the SM gods can publish what they like (agree with) and censor what they don't. Too much influence.
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firlandsfarm wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:12 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 10:58 am
I don't remember the battle for the narrative being so vicious proir to 2016, maybe I wasn't paying attention. The rate of information flow now is staggering & the contradiction within it is uncontrollable, with every refresh there is a new video or post with an opinion contradicting a previous video or post... our thirst for it is scary. I guess there is some good reasons why data is now more valuable than oil. Twitter is unbelievable, ive often wondered if there is narrative players lurking the search functions, I mean how easy is it to set up camp under a random name in a left or right leaning group and flog narratives. Ive now gone off on some bizarre thought splurge and can't even remember if my reply is relative to yours, I'd be useless as a narrative salesman :lol:
It wasn't as bad at anytime before because every new smartphone user now becomes a potential 'expert' come narrator! And you have no real idea who they really are ... look at Donald Trump on this forum (no criticism of name nor content, just an example of how easy it is to be someone else). Just think in 4 years time. Add to that the SM gods being able to influence control over what is published and what is not and you have future elections falling more and more within their control. They could be reined back if a rule was instigated that if you control content you become publishers and fall within publishers' regulations. If you claim you are simply a platform then you cannot control content (unless the content itself breaches the law) but then society will have to ready itself for stuff to be published that it finds abhorrent. At present we are getting the worst of both ... the SM gods can publish what they like (agree with) and censor what they don't. Too much influence.
There seems to be some money in being an expert or narrator, it comes with perks like "support the cause" or "buy our life changing herbal products" etc, easiest place to sell themselves is in the controversy in the comment section. Once the bad man himself has gone the attention will shift but the controversy is here to stay i think.
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Aarondewit wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:41 am
Trump's lead is only 670 in Georgia. Biden almost home.

Although I assume military ballots haven't been counted and being (mostly) white men, I assume they will favour Trump? No?
Depends how gun-ho they are.
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Naffman wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:33 am
jamesg46 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:27 am
https://youtu.be/YdkplpDAUIA

Yesterday's conversation in one video. Sky News Aus... is this fake news?
I do find it strange how Biden keeps saying 'all votes need to be counted' and not 'all legal votes'

But Sky News Aus. is very conservative, pretty much the complete opposite of Sky News here in the UK
I don't go into shops and ask for 20 legally imported cigarettes - there's nothing strange about that as it is inferred. ;)
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I think the American News channels were spot-on interrupting Trump's speech to correct the misinformation. Over here it wouldn't be necessary but I think they should have a subtitle saying "This man is talking complete bollocks!". :lol:
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Derek27 wrote:
Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:23 pm
I think the American News channels were spot-on interrupting Trump's speech to correct the misinformation. Over here it wouldn't be necessary but I think they should have a subtitle saying "This man is talking complete bollocks!". :lol:
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