Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Derek27]

The laws of physics prove that a physical barrier prevents or reduces the number of droplets passing through.

Are you seriously suggesting you have just as much chance catching a virus of someone when you're standing a long way away, or at home on your own?

The virus is so much smaller than the holes in the mask, it's the equivalent of having a lion cage with the bars 0.5 miles apart

Yes under lab conditions it reduces droplets but there is probably more chance of contracting the virus from a surface e.g. shop door handle/card reader/self-checkout touch screen/petrol pump and then touching your face to remove the mask than there is of contracting it through the air

Where's the guy on here that posts Alan Watts lectures about how we can't influence the external environment (market) when you need him?

So it reduces droplets in the lab but not in the supermarket.

If it reduces droplets then there will be less of it on surfaces!

You didn't answer the second point. Does keeping a distance from somebody wirh the virus or staying at home not reduce the risk?

[Emmson]

Got more faith in the Harvard epidemiologist who strongly believes in mask wearing & who came up with the urine test than some of the oracles on here.

[jamesg46]

& for what it's worth, I do believe masks are part of the problem, not the solution. Go to any shop and watch peoples behaviour, they go into a shop, grab a basket or trolley then in some circumstances use self service and or chip & pin which has been molested by numerous others and on their way out they remove the mask. I'd rather take a chance with distancing but because everyone feels safe behind their mask that has completely gone out of the window... nobody even follows the directions of the Isles anymore.

[jamesg46]

Got more faith in the Harvard epidemiologist who strongly believes in mask wearing & who came up with the urine test than some of the oracles on here.

That's your choice, we are entitled to ours too... I see so many people (mask wearers) doing it wrong though, you may aswell be pissing in the wind.

[Derek27]

Why would we have closed hospitals during a pandemic is what is confusing, especially considering the other article I shared on sky news that says paramedics are treating people in queuing ambulances outside of packed hospitals.

They might not have staff, the power supply might be broken, it might need converting, they might have a new minor injuries unit, etc.

You can't simply dump covid patients in an empty ward and bugger off - they need staff who are fully stretched.

What was the point in building the knightengale then? Where did all them volunteer nurses go?

Might, might or might is the equivalent to anyone else's speculation. I just found it interesting that we have empty wards or a hospital.

I was basically saying there are so many valid possibilities that I'm as interested as I am in what Cumings had for lunch at Barnard Castle.

I spend most of my time either trading, drinking or on this forum so I don't keep up to date on the NHS distribution of doctors and nurses. I trust them to organise themselves and the will contact me if they need my advice.

[Derek27]

Got more faith in the Harvard epidemiologist who strongly believes in mask wearing & who came up with the urine test than some of the oracles on here.

[Derek27]

& for what it's worth, I do believe masks are part of the problem, not the solution. Go to any shop and watch peoples behaviour, they go into a shop, grab a basket or trolley then in some circumstances use self service and or chip & pin which has been molested by numerous others and on their way out they remove the mask. I'd rather take a chance with distancing but because everyone feels safe behind their mask that has completely gone out of the window... nobody even follows the directions of the Isles anymore.

You can't blame that problem on masks - it's the people wearing them!

[spreadbetting]

Maybe you could break into a few closed hospital wards to find out for us, James? Get me a few of those NO2 bottles whilst you're freely wandering around too.

Why would we have closed hospitals during a pandemic is what is confusing, especially considering the other article I shared on sky news that says paramedics are treating people in queuing ambulances outside of packed hospitals.

There is a difference between a ward and a hospital , James, not sure they've closed any hospitals but it wouldn't make much sense to treat a load of covid patients on a specialist ward. Many parts of the NHS have shut down but don't all need to be re-opened for covid. Personally I think there has been a lot of overkill shutting down parts of the NHS but I'm not that naive to believe some old biddy has stumbled across an empty hospital as the amount of covid cases is a media lie.

[Jukebox]

Got more faith in the Harvard epidemiologist who strongly believes in mask wearing & who came up with the urine test than some of the oracles on here.

Those Harvard frat parties can get quite wild!

[jamesg46]

They might not have staff, the power supply might be broken, it might need converting, they might have a new minor injuries unit, etc.

You can't simply dump covid patients in an empty ward and bugger off - they need staff who are fully stretched.

What was the point in building the knightengale then? Where did all them volunteer nurses go?

Might, might or might is the equivalent to anyone else's speculation. I just found it interesting that we have empty wards or a hospital.

I was basically saying there are so many valid possibilities that I'm as interested as I am in what Cumings had for lunch at Barnard Castle.

I spend most of my time either trading, drinking or on this forum so I don't keep up to date on the NHS distribution of doctors and nurses. I trust them to organise themselves and the will contact me if they need my advice.

The trust maybe part of the problem, I trusted the fuckwits who are in charge but all we seem to have done is circles. Track and trace being the main one, masks being the other... I still remember the goverments advice that was relayed from scientists that masks had no benefit, the WHO said the same and Dr America too. Do, don't, do don't says to me that they're at conflict with their own advice, why should I listen.

[Trader Pat]

If there was an award for Forum Person of the Year 2020 it should go to Derek

Absolutely relentless on calling out stupidity/dodgy logic/bullshit on a daily basis all year long

'We who can no longer be arsed salute you'

[jamesg46]

& for what it's worth, I do believe masks are part of the problem, not the solution. Go to any shop and watch peoples behaviour, they go into a shop, grab a basket or trolley then in some circumstances use self service and or chip & pin which has been molested by numerous others and on their way out they remove the mask. I'd rather take a chance with distancing but because everyone feels safe behind their mask that has completely gone out of the window... nobody even follows the directions of the Isles anymore.

You can't blame that problem on masks - it's the people wearing them!

"Guns don't kill people, people do" ?

[Derek27]

What was the point in building the knightengale then? Where did all them volunteer nurses go?

Might, might or might is the equivalent to anyone else's speculation. I just found it interesting that we have empty wards or a hospital.

I was basically saying there are so many valid possibilities that I'm as interested as I am in what Cumings had for lunch at Barnard Castle.

I spend most of my time either trading, drinking or on this forum so I don't keep up to date on the NHS distribution of doctors and nurses. I trust them to organise themselves and the will contact me if they need my advice.

The trust maybe part of the problem, I trusted the fuckwits who are in charge but all we seem to have done is circles. Track and trace being the main one, masks being the other... I still remember the goverments advice that was relayed from scientists that masks had no benefit, the WHO said the same and Dr America too. Do, don't, do don't says to me that they're at conflict with their own advice, why should I listen.

The trust isn't the problem, it's the person doing the trusting (you ). You trusted BJ to handle the crisis, I wouldn't trust him to do up his shoelaces. Organising medical staff around the country to cope with a crisis is a massive operation and I would just trust the NHS to make the best of a difficult job. Us traders often back a horse, decide it's a mistake and lay it for a loss - yet we're still successful overall. I see no difference in scientists making decisions and then changing their mind, not that I recall any government scientist saying masks are ineffective and changing their mind.

[Derek27]

If there was an award for Forum Person of the Year 2020 it should go to Derek

Absolutely relentless on calling out stupidity/dodgy logic/bullshit on a daily basis all year long

'We who can no longer be arsed salute you'

[Derek27]

& for what it's worth, I do believe masks are part of the problem, not the solution. Go to any shop and watch peoples behaviour, they go into a shop, grab a basket or trolley then in some circumstances use self service and or chip & pin which has been molested by numerous others and on their way out they remove the mask. I'd rather take a chance with distancing but because everyone feels safe behind their mask that has completely gone out of the window... nobody even follows the directions of the Isles anymore.

You can't blame that problem on masks - it's the people wearing them!

"Guns don't kill people, people do" ?

Guns are dangerous when used incorrectly - but they're even more dangerous when used correctly - which makes them dangerous.

Not only are masks safe when used correctly but they're very simple to use, it's just that people can't be arsed to cover their noses or keep their distance. When I was buying my cigarettes today the woman behind the counter politely asked the queue to space themselves out. Some silly cow in the queue got stroppy with her and pointed out another man who wasn't keeping his distance.