Coronavirus - A pale horse,4 men and ....beer

[Trader Pat]

I'll just add briefly that I think that what's happened has underlined the need for proper moderation of the forum.

In my experience, forums turn into ego battles when contentious opinions are being put forward and people are left to their own devices (look no further than Twitter).

I therefore think that it would be good if a moderator could have a friendly chat with anyone who starts making irrelevant barbs (especially as those comments will inevitably provoke retaliation, as happened in this thread, dragging down the forum).

Anyway, that's me for now. Bye.

Jeff

I don't think the forum needs a moderator, it generally does a good job at moderating itself. The thread that Emmson referenced above is probably the only thread I've personally seen on the forum that may have needed some moderation, some of the content on their was borderline to say the least. Threads like this one and the ones around politics are always going to invoke strong opinions its just a shame that its taken such a childish turn overnight.

What I've actually learned reading over the pages since last night is that some people may take comments to heart more than I thought. Going forward I think I'll stick to trading specific threads to avoid any confusion and misunderstandings.

My own take is I don' think people should leave the forum because of the opinions of others. The forum is a big place, there's plenty of room for everyone.

[jamesg46]

There is no need for the sarcasm.

SB was playing the victim when he has been a nasty piece of work at times, and I don't have much time for people playing the victim card.

At least the forum now has you Jeff to help struggling newcomers to automation out with hints, tips and bits of code.

The victim card is literally your only card Jeff.

You just want a moderator who will step in when somebody says something that you don’t agree with or if somebody leaves you looking foolish.

The reason people leave is not because they don’t feel that they have the intellect to debate with the likes of you. It’s because of how the likes of you debate. You and James post about two pages to every single comment from someone else, often long drawn out hard to read drivel too.

There are always going to be disagreements and nobody will ever truly know who is right or wrong. Though it’s very obvious who shouts the loudest. And that is why people leave.

There was never any debate, just snide remarks and made up stories of what people didn't say in order to attack them. Both of those sb struck first with, the proof is in the history of the thread.

I didn't seek for this argument with sb, he came at me and then had the nerve to accuse me of what was actually his fault. I dont for a second doubt that you'd actually believe me if I told you that it was because of sb that Shaun left. He was the reason & he forced one of the main contributers of great advice/help away from the forum.

I guess his parting gift was to also deflect that and build up another false perception for people.

[TraderFred]

You’re not very good at keeping your private conversations, private, James. If I wanted to slag off another forum member, the last person I’d go to to do it is you !

They probably both left because they’ve got better things to do. The only person who kicks up a big fuss about leaving and makes a big song and dance out of it is Jeff !

[jamesg46]

You’re not very good at keeping your private conversations, private, James. If I wanted to slag off another forum member, the last person I’d go to to do it is you !

They probably both left because they’ve got better things to do. The only person who kicks up a big fuss about leaving and makes a big song and dance out of it is Jeff !

The last person to give two hoots about you coming to me, is me. Believe what you like, it doesn't make it true. I wont waste any more time trying to convince you otherwise. I think I'm done on the matter, sb got no more than he asked for. Dont throw jibes and insults if you're not prepared to take some back.

[TraderFred]

You’re not very good at keeping your private conversations, private, James. If I wanted to slag off another forum member, the last person I’d go to to do it is you !

They probably both left because they’ve got better things to do. The only person who kicks up a big fuss about leaving and makes a big song and dance out of it is Jeff !

The last person to give two hoots about you coming to me, is me. Believe what you like, it doesn't make it true. I wont waste any more time trying to convince you otherwise. I think I'm done on the matter, sb got no more than he asked for. Dont throw jibes and insults if you're not prepared to take some back.

Well if I’m not going to be allowed on to the private forumite judging panel, then there’s no point me being on here either.

Don’t worry Jeff, I know where the door is, I will see myself out, and close the door behind me !

[ANGELS15]

Just seen a disturbing news report. 23 very elderly and frail people have died in Norway after receiving the Pfizer vaccine.

As I understand it vaccines normally take several years to develop (10 years is not uncommon), be fully tested before being certified as safe. I've tried to research on the web about how we can have a safe vaccine in only a few months, with limited success.

One of the reasons for it taking years to develop vaccines is extensive testing in a wide range of scenarios. A relative of mine did VSO work in Africa in the early 1990s. They saw an instance where local people had been vaccinated, turned out the vaccine had been stored at the wrong temperature. The people's limbs swelled up and many became very ill, fortunately none died.

[StellaBot]

GOOGLE VACCINE DNA

AND GOOGLE FLU(ANOTHER VIRUS)
MUTATES VACCINE

[alexmr2]

Just seen a disturbing news report. 23 very elderly and frail people have died in Norway after receiving the Pfizer vaccine.

As I understand it vaccines normally take several years to develop (10 years is not uncommon), be fully tested before being certified as safe. I've tried to research on the web about how we can have a safe vaccine in only a few months, with limited success.

One of the reasons for it taking years to develop vaccines is extensive testing in a wide range of scenarios. A relative of mine did VSO work in Africa in the early 1990s. They saw an instance where local people had been vaccinated, turned out the vaccine had been stored at the wrong temperature. The people's limbs swelled up and many became very ill, fortunately none died.

Don't expect to see those deaths reported or even discussed by UK mainstream media.The vaccine is being pushed so hard here and anything negative towards them is simply censored. It seems like a big marketing campaign to me, the way the BBC uses fear in their articles/videos and then offers vaccines as the solution reminds me of people selling draught excluders on Amazon, showing bugs and mice coming under the door in the photos to induce fear and then offering the draught excluder as the solution.

People in nursing homes are end of life and in there for a reason though, labelling their deaths as this or that (Covid or vaccine) and then applying the same logic to the 99% healthy population seems like insanity to me.

My question to those taking the vaccines is do you intend on taking them every 6 months for the rest of your life? Because I'm pretty sure this virus is endemic and vaccine immunity only lasts a few months, so surely you will need to take them for the rest of your life or what's the point?

[StellaBot]

Try Read Above Alex

Unless you already have mental issues or physical things with your eyes going on
eg non vaccinated

[greenmark]

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

[alexmr2]

Try Read Above Alex

Unless you already have mental issues or physical things with your eyes going on
eg non vaccinated

For under 60s with no known health issues the survival rate of Covid-19 in 2020 was >99.99%. What are the chances of vaccine side effects or spending the immune system? I would say certainly more than 0.01% so the value is in laying the vaccine for me

[ANGELS15]

Just seen a disturbing news report. 23 very elderly and frail people have died in Norway after receiving the Pfizer vaccine.

As I understand it vaccines normally take several years to develop (10 years is not uncommon), be fully tested before being certified as safe. I've tried to research on the web about how we can have a safe vaccine in only a few months, with limited success.

One of the reasons for it taking years to develop vaccines is extensive testing in a wide range of scenarios. A relative of mine did VSO work in Africa in the early 1990s. They saw an instance where local people had been vaccinated, turned out the vaccine had been stored at the wrong temperature. The people's limbs swelled up and many became very ill, fortunately none died.

Don't expect to see those deaths reported or even discussed by UK mainstream media.The vaccine is being pushed so hard here and anything negative towards them is simply censored. It seems like a big marketing campaign to me, the way the BBC uses fear in their articles/videos and then offers vaccines as the solution reminds me of people selling draught excluders on Amazon, showing bugs and mice coming under the door in the photos to induce fear and then offering the draught excluder as the solution.

People in nursing homes are end of life and in there for a reason though, labelling their deaths as this or that (Covid or vaccine) and then applying the same logic to the 99% healthy population seems like insanity to me.

My question to those taking the vaccines is do you intend on taking them every 6 months for the rest of your life? Because I'm pretty sure this virus is endemic and vaccine immunity only lasts a few months, so surely you will need to take them for the rest of your life or what's the point?

What's also distrurbing is that many emminent doctors in the US have been pleading with their government to allow the use of a drug called 'Ivermectin'. It is quite a cheap drug. Many doctors in South America have used it and found that when they give the drug to covid patients they recover very quickly.

Apparently Ivermectin is used for parasite infections but in other western countries doctors have also been trying to get their voices heard about it but their tweets, or videos are deleted or swept aside.

[Derek27]

Try Read Above Alex

Unless you already have mental issues or physical things with your eyes going on
eg non vaccinated

For under 60s with no known health issues the survival rate of Covid-19 in 2020 was >99.99%. What are the chances of vaccine side effects or spending the immune system? I would say certainly more than 0.01% so the value is in laying the vaccine for me

Do you have the source or are you just inventing figures of your choice?

[Derek27]

My question to those taking the vaccines is do you intend on taking them every 6 months for the rest of your life? Because I'm pretty sure this virus is endemic and vaccine immunity only lasts a few months, so surely you will need to take them for the rest of your life or what's the point?

You might be sure but you're not a virologist - people who know what they're talking about aren't sure. In any case, you don't need to sign up to a lifetime of jabs, we can all make a decision when we have more information.

[alexmr2]

Try Read Above Alex

Unless you already have mental issues or physical things with your eyes going on
eg non vaccinated

For under 60s with no known health issues the survival rate of Covid-19 in 2020 was >99.99%. What are the chances of vaccine side effects or spending the immune system? I would say certainly more than 0.01% so the value is in laying the vaccine for me

Do you have the source or are you just inventing figures of your choice?

388 deaths / millions of cases = 99.99%+ survival rate

In the UK for under 60s with no known health issues in 2020