Russia tried to be a part of nato (nato even had base on its territory) but was rejected.greenmark wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:19 amThe fact you're missing here is all ex-USSR states had the chance to align with Russia or Nato and all except Belarus (governed by a nutter) chose Nato. And "chose" is very, very important word here.jamesg46 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:52 amFair point there Derek… I can only go off a small sample. I guess that is a lesson for us all.
If you think about it though, would you feel threatened if India, Pakistan, China and Russia formed a creeping alliance towards the west… all of them nuclear powers having the capability of hitting us in minuets? It’s pretty obvious Russia did what they needed to do.
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I understand you, but don't be angry, james. Competitiveness is a natural feature of mankind. Nothing can be done about it.
But anticivilization actions, irrationality, unnecessarilty and impositionality of recent events (pandemic and now this) are disturbing.
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There is an opinion among the Russian public about the real reason for the escalation of the conflict. They think that zelenskyy'sDerek27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:08 amI disagree. It's not a lesson for us all, just people who rely on small surveys.jamesg46 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:52 amFair point there Derek… I can only go off a small sample. I guess that is a lesson for us all.
If you think about it though, would you feel threatened if India, Pakistan, China and Russia formed a creeping alliance towards the west… all of them nuclear powers having the capability of hitting us in minuets? It’s pretty obvious Russia did what they needed to do.
If those four countries formed a pact that would be worrying, but they're entitled to do it and we can't stop them. If you're saying Russia needed to invade Ukraine, I guess you're simply adopting a different provocative view, as you usually do, just to be different.
official statement that his country plans to be a nuclear power triggered this conflict. As Russian president said it's "a knife to the throat".
In this video that James gave link to (https://youtu.be/UcIkwKVxrjk) some indian dude compares situation with "India and Pakistan" situation, he mentions that US supported Pakistan, but what he doesn't mention is that US helped Pakistan to build nuclear warheads. That is exactly what mr. Putin and any sane russian doesn't want - to have an angry neighbor threatening their existence.
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I think everyone can agree that's there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around when it comes to geopolitics. No country's hands are clean on the world stage and there's plenty to dislike about the West's foreign policies but in situations like this you have to pick a side. The vast majority of people would agree that the world would be a better place without Putin in it.
I didn't watch all of it but that Indian guy said Russia made a simple demand. He seemed to lack the understanding that nobody is in a position to make any demand they want as long as it's simple (a shag's a simple demand) and there's nothing simple about rewriting the NATO constitution to reject memberships that Russia doesn't like.napshnap wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:21 amThere is an opinion among the Russian public about the real reason for the escalation of the conflict. They think that zelenskyy'sDerek27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:08 amI disagree. It's not a lesson for us all, just people who rely on small surveys.jamesg46 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:52 am
Fair point there Derek… I can only go off a small sample. I guess that is a lesson for us all.
If you think about it though, would you feel threatened if India, Pakistan, China and Russia formed a creeping alliance towards the west… all of them nuclear powers having the capability of hitting us in minuets? It’s pretty obvious Russia did what they needed to do.
If those four countries formed a pact that would be worrying, but they're entitled to do it and we can't stop them. If you're saying Russia needed to invade Ukraine, I guess you're simply adopting a different provocative view, as you usually do, just to be different.
official statement that his country plans to be a nuclear power triggered this conflict. As Russian president said it's "a knife to the throat".
In this video that James gave link to (https://youtu.be/UcIkwKVxrjk) some indian dude compares situation with "India and Pakistan" situation, he mentions that US supported Pakistan, but what he doesn't mention is that US helped Pakistan to build nuclear warheads. That is exactly what mr. Putin and any sane russian doesn't want - to have an angry neighbor threatening their existence.
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Rumour is Russia not opening their stock market as many companies will go bust.
Maybe he will decide no other option but to press the button.
Maybe he will decide no other option but to press the button.
I'm beginning to feel more and more that when he presses his red button it won't work. Thankfully, it's not mechanically connected to the warheads like on the old Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch so someone in the chain will revolt.Archery1969 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:10 pmRumour is Russia not opening their stock market as many companies will go bust.
Maybe he will decide no other option but to press the button.
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Derek27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:17 pmI'm beginning to feel more and more that when he presses his red button it won't work. Thankfully, it's not mechanically connected to the warheads like on the old Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch so someone in the chain will revolt.Archery1969 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:10 pmRumour is Russia not opening their stock market as many companies will go bust.
Maybe he will decide no other option but to press the button.
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I for one wasn't aware that the US had Nuclear Missiles stationed in Germany, Netherlands, Italy and Belgium in a 'Ready State'. Those countries cannot prevent their launch, only the US president can authorise or de-authorise their use. There is also a command centre somewhere in Europe which tracks missile launches so they can trace back to where they were fired from. Those targets are nuked first and then a preset number of strategic locations in Russia and China are next on the list, assuming the original launches can be traced back to those countries. This all happens within 6 minutes. 
Rather scary to be honest.
Wonder what they do if fired from a submarine, nuke it but which country do they nuke for it ?
Rather scary to be honest.
Wonder what they do if fired from a submarine, nuke it but which country do they nuke for it ?
Russia's nuclear force has been moved from special alert to "enhanced combat" alert.
I've had a terrible month this month and won't be getting my usual promotion but I'm beginning to run out of job titles. I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.
I've had a terrible month this month and won't be getting my usual promotion but I'm beginning to run out of job titles. I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.
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He going to luanch a small, 10 Kiloton's bomb in Ukraine to end things quickly or as some have said in the North Sea between UK and Denmark to scare the shit out of everyone. No idea if that will create a tsunami for those countries.Derek27 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:04 pmRussia's nuclear force has been moved from special alert to "enhanced combat" alert.
I've had a terrible month this month and won't be getting my usual promotion but I'm beginning to run out of job titles. I think Putin's going to have the same problem and will soon run out of alert levels.