Ukraine Crisis

[Kai]

Russia's expressed an interest in Euro 2028! Didn't hear if it was about hosting it or watching it.

With 77% of Russia's territory being in Asia, why don't we kick them out of European football and make them play with the Asians instead?

[Kai]

Hi , I apologize if the question may seem off-center the crisis argument. Tonight I had a long discussion with a true friend about the fact that here in Italy, the residence of the Holy Father, our war propaganda, in my opinion, (in fact we are at war too without realizing it) that we are undergoing with the media (social media and tv etc.) Never and I mean never, at least here in Italy, has their voice ever raised in the daily talk-shows on the subject of any commentator who has ever mentioned that pity and horror that war it evokes us for the massacres of Ukrainian men, women and children, although understanding the inevitable underlying motivation, regarding the incredible number of Russian deaths mostly roasted in tanks. Mostly they are 18-20 boys torn from their families and forced to be massacred in the field, whose parents, when it happens, can be returned to them in tatters.
In short, the fact: I discovered that my friend was not horrified, nor did he have the slightest sense of pity for this incredible number of fallen on the "enemy" side, indeed he hopes they are not 10k but 20-30-70k, and they deserve to die because they would go and kill ....
I hope his attitude towards these poor young boys is the result of such media manipulations. That said, I'm curious to know, like a survey, if you want to have your say, what your attitude is about it. I believe that if a large number thought the same way ... goodbye peace and happy third conflict.
Humbly, if you want I would appreciate your opinion, and if you are annoyed it will be enough "no piety ar all for russians deaths" or "piety also for them in the same way as the invaded". Thanks, sorry for your time.
PS hope putin could die asap.

Don't apologize, the question is bang on the money and couldn't be more on-topic.

Said a similar thing a few pages ago, probably more than once, buying into this sort of narrative is dangerous, like calling the Russian soldiers "orcs" or "blyats". Treating anyone at a subhuman level is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, the greatest tragedy in our history.

There is no two ways about it really, war is hell and war crimes are a given, there is no civilized way to kill each other, when the stakes are quite literally life and death all filters are gone and this is man at his most primal level, and even though this can bring out the best in man on occasion it's absolutely guaranteed to bring out the worst. The one silver lining here is that there are so many eyes on this conflict with the whole world watching, otherwise the whole crisis would be infinitely worse.

[napshnap]

Hard to believe it's already been a month, this war truly is defying all expectations.

It looks like a transparent balloon with a pee inside of it .

[Kai]

It looks like a transparent balloon with a pee inside of it .

[napshnap]

It looks like a transparent balloon with a pee inside of it .

What can I do, it's just a bad color choice .

[Trader Pat]

Said a similar thing a few pages ago, probably more than once, buying into this sort of narrative is dangerous, like calling the Russian soldiers "orcs" or "blyats". Treating anyone at a subhuman level is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, the greatest tragedy in our history.

There is no two ways about it really, war is hell and war crimes are a given, there is no civilized way to kill each other, when the stakes are quite literally life and death all filters are gone and this is man at his most primal level, and even though this can bring out the best in man on occasion it's absolutely guaranteed to bring out the worst. The one silver lining here is that there are so many eyes on this conflict with the whole world watching, otherwise the whole crisis would be infinitely worse.

Would you have a problem referring to the Nazi's as subhuman? I wouldn't. I'd say the same about the Russian soldiers who 'liberated' Germany from Nazi control. Historians estimate Russian soldiers raped up to 2 million German women and girls. They were supposedly the 'good guys' and were treated as heroes.

Obviously you can't paint all soldiers in the heat of battle with the same brush. Most of these Russians are conscripts who are being used as cannon fodder but the ones who behave like animals deserve to die like animals imo.

[napshnap]

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Historians estimate Russian soldiers...

Are you sure they are unbiased "historians" and not a brazzers administrators or random chatroulette wankers?

On a personal level we can think whatever we want, even disscus it in a narrow circle on forums like this one. But being a public person, politician, it's absolutely inappropriate or even criminal to dehumanize someone because it opens the gates of hell, gives green light to very dark sides of humanity in those who listen to them or follow their orders.

[Trader Pat]

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Historians estimate Russian soldiers...

Are you sure they are unbiased "historians" and not a brazzers administrators or random chatroulette wankers?

I'll file that under WTF. Might be just me but I don't see the connection between WW2 and Chatroulette.

But being a public person, politician, it's absolutely inappropriate or even criminal to dehumanize someone because it opens the gates of hell, gives green light to very dark sides of humanity in those who listen to them or follow their orders.

Good something we agree on. We are talking about Putin referring to Ukrainians as 'gnats' and 'flies' right?

[napshnap]

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Good something we agree on. We are talking about Putin referring to Ukrainians as 'gnats' and 'flies' right?

Can you provide link where he says it? I know there've been some hmm.. "names" for russian political opposition, but not in the context of this conflict.

[Trader Pat]

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Good something we agree on. We are talking about Putin referring to Ukrainians as 'gnats' and 'flies' right?

Can you provide link where he says it? I know there've been some hmm.. "names" for russian political opposition, but not in the context of this conflict.

Sorry my bad. He said it about those Russians who are opposed to the invasion which is even worse? 'Dehumanising' his own people because they are opposed to an unjustified invasion of a sovereign nation.

[napshnap]

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Good something we agree on. We are talking about Putin referring to Ukrainians as 'gnats' and 'flies' right?

Can you provide link where he says it? I know there've been some hmm.. "names" for russian political opposition, but not in the context of this conflict.

Sorry my bad. He said it about those Russians who are opposed to the invasion which is even worse? 'Dehumanising' his own people because they are opposed to an unjustified invasion of a sovereign nation.

Pat, I'll ask again - can you provide link where he gives these names to his own people/ an opposition in a context of this conflict?

[Kai]

Said a similar thing a few pages ago, probably more than once, buying into this sort of narrative is dangerous, like calling the Russian soldiers "orcs" or "blyats". Treating anyone at a subhuman level is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, the greatest tragedy in our history.

There is no two ways about it really, war is hell and war crimes are a given, there is no civilized way to kill each other, when the stakes are quite literally life and death all filters are gone and this is man at his most primal level, and even though this can bring out the best in man on occasion it's absolutely guaranteed to bring out the worst. The one silver lining here is that there are so many eyes on this conflict with the whole world watching, otherwise the whole crisis would be infinitely worse.

Would you have a problem referring to the Nazi's as subhuman? I wouldn't. I'd say the same about the Russian soldiers who 'liberated' Germany from Nazi control. Historians estimate Russian soldiers raped up to 2 million German women and girls. They were supposedly the 'good guys' and were treated as heroes.

Obviously you can't paint all soldiers in the heat of battle with the same brush. Most of these Russians are conscripts who are being used as cannon fodder but the ones who behave like animals deserve to die like animals imo.

Good luck sorting out the good guys from the animals in a war where you shoot first and ask questions later. People can say whatever they want and it will be a reflection of how they feel at the time, the problem comes when they start believing these narratives. Hitler has had years to build up his narrative and put his agendas in motion, whilst the Soviets at the time were after revenge.

[Trader Pat]

Can you provide link where he says it? I know there've been some hmm.. "names" for russian political opposition, but not in the context of this conflict.

Sorry my bad. He said it about those Russians who are opposed to the invasion which is even worse? 'Dehumanising' his own people because they are opposed to an unjustified invasion of a sovereign nation.

Pat, I'll ask again - can you provide link where he gives these names to his own people/ an opposition in a context of this conflict?

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... d667d6db91

[Trader Pat]

Said a similar thing a few pages ago, probably more than once, buying into this sort of narrative is dangerous, like calling the Russian soldiers "orcs" or "blyats". Treating anyone at a subhuman level is reminiscent of Nazi Germany and the Holocaust, the greatest tragedy in our history.

There is no two ways about it really, war is hell and war crimes are a given, there is no civilized way to kill each other, when the stakes are quite literally life and death all filters are gone and this is man at his most primal level, and even though this can bring out the best in man on occasion it's absolutely guaranteed to bring out the worst. The one silver lining here is that there are so many eyes on this conflict with the whole world watching, otherwise the whole crisis would be infinitely worse.

Would you have a problem referring to the Nazi's as subhuman? I wouldn't. I'd say the same about the Russian soldiers who 'liberated' Germany from Nazi control. Historians estimate Russian soldiers raped up to 2 million German women and girls. They were supposedly the 'good guys' and were treated as heroes.

Obviously you can't paint all soldiers in the heat of battle with the same brush. Most of these Russians are conscripts who are being used as cannon fodder but the ones who behave like animals deserve to die like animals imo.

Good luck sorting out the good guys from the animals in a war where you shoot first and ask questions later. People can say whatever they want and it will be a reflection of how they feel at the time, the problem comes when they start believing these narratives. Hitler has had years to build up his narrative and put his agendas in motion, whilst the Soviets at the time were after revenge.

I'm not talking about soldiers killing each other. In this conflict there quite a few reports of women and children being shot which can't be put down to the 'fog or war'.

Vengeance isn't an excuse for the rape of women and children.

[napshnap]

Sorry my bad. He said it about those Russians who are opposed to the invasion which is even worse? 'Dehumanising' his own people because they are opposed to an unjustified invasion of a sovereign nation.

Pat, I'll ask again - can you provide link where he gives these names to his own people/ an opposition in a context of this conflict?

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukrai ... d667d6db91

Thank you. Sigh. As I said it's not a first time and that saddens me.