Ukraine Crisis

[Trader Pat]

Sean Penn on Twitter : "By open source, 2 squadrons of F-15’s or 16’s (that’s 12 aircraft with better tech than Russian Migs or SU’s) quickly trainable (3 weeks) to Ukrainian aviators would cost private sector buyers approx $300M. Add another $200M in missile defense for a total of $500M. One billionaire could end this war in Ukraine. Of course there are add-ons in arming & maintaining creative runways, etc., but seems worth a think."

Ah yes Sean Penn.. that well known and respected military strategist

What would we do without movie stars and musicians to tell us how we should feel and what we should do to make the world a better place.

Didn't he recently win a philanthropist of the year award or something for his charity work though?

My point was more a broader comment on some celebrities and their over inflated opinions of themselves. In regards specifically to Penn though a persons philanthropic work doesn't give them the right to point the finger and tell everybody else how they should live and what they should think. The world already has too many Bill Gates'.

I think he may have a point there, to at least get this conversation rolling.

I think its a stupid idea. Private citizens bankrolling wars? Some third world country finds a nutjob billionaire sugar daddy to bankroll their military. Imagine where that could lead.

[Archery1969]

A recently delivered British-made anti-aircraft missile (Silver Streak II) shot down a Russian Mi-28N helicopter in the Luhansk region.

[Kai]

My point was more a broader comment on some celebrities and their over inflated opinions of themselves. In regards specifically to Penn though a persons philanthropic work doesn't give them the right to point the finger and tell everybody else how they should live and what they should think. The world already has too many Bill Gates'.

Well if they're rich and famous they must be doing something right!

I think its a stupid idea. Private citizens bankrolling wars? Some third world country finds a nutjob billionaire sugar daddy to bankroll their military. Imagine where that could lead.

It would just strictly be for self-defense purposes only, with the occasional cheeky air strike on oil depots deep inside Russian territory. I'm sure people would already do it if they weren't afraid of getting poisoned afterwards

[jamesg46]

Have none conspiracy people become conspiracy people here?

To suggest the UK or US government would blow up their own people or assets would be a conspiracy theory. To suggest Russia may do it isn't. They're sending thousands of untrained, ill-equipt and unprepared conscripts to their death. So it's backed up with solid reasoning, unlike CTs.

You’ll believe anything you Derek. So this is a war of thousands of untrained, ill-equipped and unprepared conscripts against thousands of untrained, ill-equipped, untrained and unprepared conscripts.

A few weeks back we were hearing how Ukraine has armed civilians with 10k rifles and no male of fighting age was allowed to leave, there was the begging for military aid & closing of air space, the talk of western civilians going to fight alongside them. At that very moment we were seeing a 40 mile convoy, very well equipped.

Russia are currently holding probably a little under a quarter, of Ukrainian territory & this has all been achieved, managed & occupied by some I’ll-equipped, unprepared conscripts…

I wouldn’t put anything past any government be it the UK, US
or Russian. I can’t see the Ukraine having the capability of hitting Russian assets but then again we have no idea what sort of Aid and or special operation (elite forces) have made it to Ukraine. It wouldn’t be much of a conspiracy to suggest it was the US either considering Biden had a slip of that old tongue and told the troops in a roundabout fashion that they were going to Ukraine.

We’re all in the hazy conspiracy stage here… it’s my favourite kind of area to be. Conscripts Vs Conscripts what’s all the fuss about

[Derek27]

A recently delivered British-made anti-aircraft missile (Silver Streak II) shot down a Russian Mi-28N helicopter in the Luhansk region.

I thought it was Starstreak that the UK are sending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7k0XonWAG4

[Derek27]

Putin has thyroid cancer.

I hope he suffers a horrible and very painful death. Hopefully in a prison somewhere and forced to eat his own shit and drink his own piss.

He may well do given it's reported in a tabloid today that he bathes in Ankler's blood to cure, whatever.

Ironically, animal rights activists are now calling him barbaric.

[Derek27]

Have none conspiracy people become conspiracy people here?

To suggest the UK or US government would blow up their own people or assets would be a conspiracy theory. To suggest Russia may do it isn't. They're sending thousands of untrained, ill-equipt and unprepared conscripts to their death. So it's backed up with solid reasoning, unlike CTs.

You’ll believe anything you Derek. So this is a war of thousands of untrained, ill-equipped and unprepared conscripts against thousands of untrained, ill-equipped, untrained and unprepared conscripts.

A few weeks back we were hearing how Ukraine has armed civilians with 10k rifles and no male of fighting age was allowed to leave, there was the begging for military aid & closing of air space, the talk of western civilians going to fight alongside them. At that very moment we were seeing a 40 mile convoy, very well equipped.

Russia are currently holding probably a little under a quarter, of Ukrainian territory & this has all been achieved, managed & occupied by some I’ll-equipped, unprepared conscripts…

I wouldn’t put anything past any government be it the UK, US
or Russian. I can’t see the Ukraine having the capability of hitting Russian assets but then again we have no idea what sort of Aid and or special operation (elite forces) have made it to Ukraine. It wouldn’t be much of a conspiracy to suggest it was the US either considering Biden had a slip of that old tongue and told the troops in a roundabout fashion that they were going to Ukraine.

We’re all in the hazy conspiracy stage here… it’s my favourite kind of area to be. Conscripts Vs Conscripts what’s all the fuss about

So what exactly are you suggesting I believe without foundation?

Putin clearly doesn't care about the lives of his soldiers. The Ukrainian soldiers including reserves have been trained by western forces and were not lied to about merely going into a training exercise.

Nobody dislikes BJ more than I do, but if you seriously believe he would order tanks to surround London and decimate it, you need more help than Alex.

[Kai]

Ukrainian parliament passes new law that rewards Russian soldiers if they surrender or defect with military equipment. $1 million for fighter jets and warships!

I think this is on top of a full amnesty and $58,000 in compensation to any soldier that surrenders. While Russia appears to be screwing over the families of fallen soldiers and denying them compensation because technically they died during an "exercise".

[Derek27]

Ukrainian parliament passes new law that rewards Russian soldiers if they surrender or defect with military equipment. $1 million for fighter jets and warships!

I think this is on top of a full amnesty and $58,000 in compensation to any soldier that surrenders. While Russia appears to be screwing over the families of fallen soldiers and denying them compensation because technically they died during an "exercise".

He's got some sense of humour!

For handing in a warship the captain should get a lot more than $1M. Ten times that, or perhaps, as in the Black Knight, the freedom to lay with the Ukrainian damsel of his choice for a night. The Russians would be handing in their equipment left, right and centre.

[Kai]

He's got some sense of humour!

For handing in a warship the captain should get a lot more than $1M. Ten times that

Derek do you have any idea how many Adidas tracksuits and vodka cases $1 million can buy?? Surely it's more tempting than becoming fertilizer.

[Archery1969]

A recently delivered British-made anti-aircraft missile (Silver Streak II) shot down a Russian Mi-28N helicopter in the Luhansk region.

I thought it was Starstreak that the UK are sending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7k0XonWAG4

Correct. Bloody keyboard.

[alexmr2]

Nobody dislikes BJ more than I do, but if you seriously believe he would order tanks to surround London and decimate it, you need more help than Alex.

I'm sure BJ doesn't want to reduce the population at all...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dL0duhWW5m8

https://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/10/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Population-Pro ... 0470446161

[jamesg46]

To suggest the UK or US government would blow up their own people or assets would be a conspiracy theory. To suggest Russia may do it isn't. They're sending thousands of untrained, ill-equipt and unprepared conscripts to their death. So it's backed up with solid reasoning, unlike CTs.

You’ll believe anything you Derek. So this is a war of thousands of untrained, ill-equipped and unprepared conscripts against thousands of untrained, ill-equipped, untrained and unprepared conscripts.

A few weeks back we were hearing how Ukraine has armed civilians with 10k rifles and no male of fighting age was allowed to leave, there was the begging for military aid & closing of air space, the talk of western civilians going to fight alongside them. At that very moment we were seeing a 40 mile convoy, very well equipped.

Russia are currently holding probably a little under a quarter, of Ukrainian territory & this has all been achieved, managed & occupied by some I’ll-equipped, unprepared conscripts…

I wouldn’t put anything past any government be it the UK, US
or Russian. I can’t see the Ukraine having the capability of hitting Russian assets but then again we have no idea what sort of Aid and or special operation (elite forces) have made it to Ukraine. It wouldn’t be much of a conspiracy to suggest it was the US either considering Biden had a slip of that old tongue and told the troops in a roundabout fashion that they were going to Ukraine.

We’re all in the hazy conspiracy stage here… it’s my favourite kind of area to be. Conscripts Vs Conscripts what’s all the fuss about

So what exactly are you suggesting I believe without foundation?

Putin clearly doesn't care about the lives of his soldiers. The Ukrainian soldiers including reserves have been trained by western forces and were not lied to about merely going into a training exercise.

Nobody dislikes BJ more than I do, but if you seriously believe he would order tanks to surround London and decimate it, you need more help than Alex.

This Derek is what I’m suggesting you believe because this is what you wrote. “They’re sending thousands of untrained, ill-equipped conscripts to their death”.

It’s strange how they’ve managed to take and hold about a quarter of Ukraine being ill-equipped, unprepared and untrained.

Russia has roughly the same amount of ground combat vehicles as NATO does, I bet Putin was just handing the keys out at the Ukraine border to anyone and everyone because there is absolutely no way he’d use any of his one million active & trained personnel.

I’m not sure what you’re on about in regards to BJ, tanks & London, I don’t know how we got to talking about that & I’m not sure other than this comment I’ll bother talking about it either.

[Derek27]

Nobody dislikes BJ more than I do, but if you seriously believe he would order tanks to surround London and decimate it, you need more help than Alex.

I'm sure BJ doesn't want to reduce the population at all...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dL0duhWW5m8

https://www.boris-johnson.com/2007/10/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Population-Pro ... 0470446161

Thanks, I'll start work on my bomb shelter.

[JasBarrow]

I don’t know how we got to talking about that & I’m not sure other than this comment I’ll bother talking about it either.

I'm sure I speak for many on the forum when I say its unfortunate that you bother speaking about anything at all.