Ukraine Crisis

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Moldova will be next and then NATO will have a very tough decision to make.

We could be at war before the next general election.

If Starmer gets into office before the war starts, all those Johnson supporters will have to say, we can't change leader now, there's a war on.

Think I am right in saying that GE can be postponed if we at war.

You seem desperate to test your strategy. The strategy being tested is MAD. I don't believe tactical nuclear strikes are realistic. Nuclear is "attack us and we'll destroy everything between us".
It doesn't fit with human nature to wipe itself out. Unless you're a extremist islamic looney.

[napshnap]

There is also a often overlooked reason not to start the nuclear war, the reason is you'll have to deal with hundreds of thousands of pissed off people of attacked country who will try to shoot on sight.
You can say yanks did it to Japan, but yanks wasn't stupid - they had herded the japanese into concentration camps beforehand.
You really don't want to deal with hundreds of thousands pissed-off russians.

[Derek27]

There is also a often overlooked reason not to start the nuclear war, the reason is you'll have to deal with hundreds of thousands of pissed off people of attacked country who will try to shoot on sight.
You can say yanks did it to Japan, but yanks wasn't stupid - they had herded the japanese into concentration camps beforehand.
You really don't want to deal with hundreds of thousands pissed-off russians.

America never invaded the Japanese motherland. They just bombed from the air and finally the two fission bombs ended the war. It was quite a relief when they realised how well dug in the Japanese were with all their hidden heavy artillary. It would have been a blood bath.

[greenmark]

There is also a often overlooked reason not to start the nuclear war, the reason is you'll have to deal with hundreds of thousands of pissed off people of attacked country who will try to shoot on sight.
You can say yanks did it to Japan, but yanks wasn't stupid - they had herded the japanese into concentration camps beforehand.
You really don't want to deal with hundreds of thousands pissed-off russians.

For what reason would Russians be pissed off with Nato.
The reality is Russia has invaded a soveriegn state neighbour (once a stout ally) and meted out massive destruction in pursuit of it's selfish aims.

Nato has no intention of setitng a single boot on Russian territory.
Western democracy would be in uproar if they did.
You can see the West's response in sanctions. Thats how we do it unless you're a nutter like Saddam. And make no mistake it will be relentless until Putin stops his aggression.
I believe Russia is predicted to suffer a 10% reduction in GDP.
Is this aggression? No we just don't want to conduct commerce with this regime. You can can kepp your oil, gas, grain. We'll find a way without you. But we would prefer it if we were back in partnership.

[napshnap]

There is also a often overlooked reason not to start the nuclear war, the reason is you'll have to deal with hundreds of thousands of pissed off people of attacked country who will try to shoot on sight.
You can say yanks did it to Japan, but yanks wasn't stupid - they had herded the japanese into concentration camps beforehand.
You really don't want to deal with hundreds of thousands pissed-off russians.

For what reason would Russians be pissed off with Nato.
The reality is Russia has invaded a soveriegn state neighbour (once a stout ally) and meted out massive destruction in pursuit of it's selfish aims.

Nato has no intention of setitng a single boot on Russian territory.
Western democracy would be in uproar if they did.
You can see the West's response in sanctions. Thats how we do it unless you're a nutter like Saddam. And make no mistake it will be relentless until Putin stops his aggression.
I believe Russia is predicted to suffer a 10% reduction in GDP.
Is this aggression? No we just don't want to conduct commerce with this regime. You can can kepp your oil, gas, grain. We'll find a way without you. But we would prefer it if we were back in partnership.

"For what reason would Russians be pissed off with Nato."

They obviously would be pissed off if their fatherland would be destroyed and polluted. Not a surprise I guess.


"Nato has no intention of setitng a single boot on Russian territory."

That's why I said "the nuclear war".


"Western democracy would be in uproar if they did."

That's not true. History has shown that you are well trained to keep your mouth shut too.


"Thats how we do it unless you're a nutter like Saddam."

It's all in the will of the administers who decide who is "saddam" enough.


"And make no mistake it will be relentless until Putin stops his aggression."

I'm not optimistic about it, I think it will be relentless even after the president.


"You can can kepp your oil, gas, grain. We'll find a way without you."

No, you can't without damaging yourself and that's why non-western countries, to put it mildly, are very surprised by your behavior and are reviewing some of their financial problems and routes in order to limit the possible risks of interacting with you in case if your hot heads will suddenly decide that some of non-western countries leaders are "saddam" enough to rob them.


"But we would prefer it if we were back in partnership."

Russians would too, but your leaders think that it's cool to shoot yourself (you, really) in a leg without asking your opinion.

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Nato will not set a boot in Russia. Unless Russia strikes a Nato country.
I am not trained to keep my mouth shut.
I can slag off the governent to my hearts content, providing I don't incite violence.
In Russia you can't be a pop group with provocative views without risking years in jail.
You can't be a political opponent without risking poisoning by the state.
You can't be a dissenting voice without the secret services hunting you down in foreign countries using lethal nerve agents.
Get real. You're ruled by a complete knobhead.

[napshnap]

Nato will not set a boot in Russia. Unless Russia strikes a Nato country.
I am not trained to keep my mouth shut.
I can slag off the governent to my hearts content, providing I don't incite violence.
In Russia you can't be a pop group with provocative views without risking years in jail.
You can't be a political opponent without risking poisoning by the state.
You can't be a dissenting voice without the secret services hunting you down in foreign countries using lethal nerve agents.
Get real. You're ruled by a complete knobhead.

"Nato will not set a boot in Russia. Unless Russia strikes a Nato country."

Its expansion and aloofness is deliberately provocative. Stop playing this "stop hitting yourself" childish game. Ok, you refused Russia to join, suck in the whole fn world in it, but keep your deadly toys (military infrastructure) far away from the homeland - that is the message, main idea of this confrontation. Ukraine is just a part of this confrontation. Russia needs limitrophes to protect itself, it doesn't have the luxury of being an island protected by the sea. If your strategic dumbasses don't understand that then, gentlemen, we all are in a very bad situation.


"In Russia you can't be a pop group with provocative views without risking years in jail."

The problem is that you're heading in that direction with a light speed with your "progressive" bullshit nonsense. Orwell and Huxley are knocking loudly on your door, will you open it? Maybe already opened?

Let's make a deal, I'm aware that there is no serious politics in Russia, no need to mention it anymore. Forget about it.
It's more concerning for me that you're losing control over YOUR states cause if you allow to be manipulated (openly or covertly through msm and other social institutions)
like sheeple by your elites and states they form then the last bastion of freedom falled there is no hope at all.

[Archery1969]

Nato will not set a boot in Russia. Unless Russia strikes a Nato country.
I am not trained to keep my mouth shut.
I can slag off the governent to my hearts content, providing I don't incite violence.
In Russia you can't be a pop group with provocative views without risking years in jail.
You can't be a political opponent without risking poisoning by the state.
You can't be a dissenting voice without the secret services hunting you down in foreign countries using lethal nerve agents.
Get real. You're ruled by a complete knobhead.

"Nato will not set a boot in Russia. Unless Russia strikes a Nato country."

Its expansion and aloofness is deliberately provocative. Stop playing this "stop hitting yourself" childish game. Ok, you refused Russia to join, suck in the whole fn world in it, but keep your deadly toys (military infrastructure) far away from the homeland - that is the message, main idea of this confrontation. Ukraine is just a part of this confrontation. Russia needs limitrophes to protect itself, it doesn't have the luxury of being an island protected by the sea. If your strategic dumbasses don't understand that than, gentlemen, we all are in a very bad situation.


"In Russia you can't be a pop group with provocative views without risking years in jail."

The problem is that you're heading in that direction with a light speed with your "progressive" bullshit nonsense. Orwell and Huxley are knocking loudly on your door, will you open it? Maybe already opened?

Let's make a deal, I'm aware that there is no serious politics in Russia, no need to mention it anymore. Forget about it.
It's more concerning for me that you're losing control over YOUR states cause if you allow to be manipulated (openly or covertly through msm and other social institutions)
like sheeple by your elites and states they form then the last bastion of freedom falled there is no hope at all.

It’s obvious your a brainwashed bellend.

[Trader Pat]

It’s obvious your a brainwashed bellend.

Bit harsh

[napshnap]

It’s obvious your a brainwashed bellend.

Bit harsh

Don't bother, dude just worries that his nuclear shelter investment wont pay off. That's why he and Derek "bomb" Russia on every page of this topic.

[greenmark]

It’s obvious your a brainwashed bellend.

Bit harsh

Don't bother, dude just worries that his nuclear shelter investment wont pay off. That's why he and Derek "bomb" Russia on every page of this topic.

Nobody on here "bombs" Russia. Russia and Russian's are fine with us all. It's Putin and his cronies raping your country and invading a neighbour that makes us angry.
And, again, we can kick out our leaders. It would seem you can't. Your media is Putin-centric and Putin imprisons or murders dissenters and attempts to murder poitical opponents. Simples!

[napshnap]

Bit harsh

Don't bother, dude just worries that his nuclear shelter investment wont pay off. That's why he and Derek "bomb" Russia on every page of this topic.

Nobody on here "bombs" Russia. Russia and Russian's are fine with us all. It's Putin and his cronies raping your country and invading a neighbour that makes us angry.
And, again, we can kick out our leaders. It would seem you can't. Your media is Putin-centric and Putin imprisons or murders dissenters and attempts to murder poitical opponents. Simples!

Let us take a note on this my post to return to it later - there will be no posititve changes in policy towards Russia after changing of the president.

What make you so sure about your leaders? it's not a 19th century when England bourgeoisie managed to partitaly push out aristocrats by hands of a lower class.

[greenmark]

Don't bother, dude just worries that his nuclear shelter investment wont pay off. That's why he and Derek "bomb" Russia on every page of this topic.

Nobody on here "bombs" Russia. Russia and Russian's are fine with us all. It's Putin and his cronies raping your country and invading a neighbour that makes us angry.
And, again, we can kick out our leaders. It would seem you can't. Your media is Putin-centric and Putin imprisons or murders dissenters and attempts to murder poitical opponents. Simples!

Let us take a note on this my post to return to it later - there will be no posititve changes in policy towards Russia after changing of the president.

What make you so sure about your leaders? How can you kick out your rotten globalists puppeteered elite? It's not possible nowadays, your middle class can't do anything, it's not a 19th century when England bourgeoisie managed to partitaly push out aristocrats by hands of a lower class.

OK I apologise. I have no way to discuss this further. If I've offended you, I apologise. Perhaps you should come and live here and would see the world through different eyes. I wish you well. I hope one day we will agree.

[Derek27]

Putin speaks English! I just heard him say a few words to a reporter in some old film!

[napshnap]

‘This is a war of propaganda’: John Pilger on Ukraine and Assange.

"... I've covered probably seven, eight, nine shooting wars. I've never seen coverage so utterly consumed by a tsunami of jingoism and of manipulative jingoism as this one..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9pEotvlW-s