What incentive is there really?
For someone to say : "Here are my strategies, feel free to chip away at my profit margins."
As for seeking a bit of credit in general, you do need a healthy dose of validation sometimes, if only to convince yourself that you're not a madman with a gambling obsession.
Dallas : How can you track wins/losses of a strategy
Well, these threads appear with monotonous regularity, like Martingale threads and Challenge threads of various descriptions. To me this is another version of a Challenge thread.
Someone bursts on the scene and announces themselves, they are going to post results, strategies, theories (take your pick) to demonstrate they are the greatest thing sinced sliced bread and they are going to teach us all. All long termers have got it wrong and any suggestions or questions, no matter how innocent or respectful, are met with maximum offence taking on the part of the OP. Responses are generally something like, "how dare you question my strategy", "I make more money than you", "I retired at 43", "I worked on a trading floor and mistreated women", "you just don't understand me, trust me what I do is so profitable I have a yellow lambo and an active wear model girlfirend" etc
Another OP tactic is to claim the "thread" as their own personal fiefdom. No critics are welcome, in fact no posts other than praise are welcome. Think Chinese Communist Party. I always thought of the forum as being established by Peter and belonging to Peter to support his fabulous product and to allow reasonably vigorous and lightly moderated discussion. But no, some OP's claim they will be the sole arbiter of what happens.
Most of the claimed strategies are obviously not going to be long term profitable.
Our current friend* went from streaks of losses that wiped out his daily dutching profit, to $30 a day to $300 a day to a $1,000 a day, to $3,000 a day of profits in the blink of an eye. And (no miracle needed) his algo excluded a fav and picked the 11.0 shot. Of course it did. $3,000 a day is approx $1m a year. Let alone the other 151 strategies. You can only marvel at the unbelievable skill and intelligence. If you ask a questoin, you are not marvelling at the skill, you are questioning whether the ermporer is in fact wearing clothes.
*The story, all names, characters, and incidents portrayed in this post are fictitious. No identification with actual persons (living or deceased), places, buildings, and products is intended or should be inferred. No animals were harmed or egos bruised in this post.
I am sure Kai can summarise my post above in a meme.
Well it would be nice if you could sum it up with a simple meme...
...but I'm afraid OP has his ego so far up his own arse that we're going to need an entire team of surgeons for such a delicate procedure : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFtyh-5LPxw
...but I'm afraid OP has his ego so far up his own arse that we're going to need an entire team of surgeons for such a delicate procedure : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFtyh-5LPxw
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what is so funny about you guys here - thinking you are gods gift to the world
is that really for many of you - you are not prepared to even consider someone knows more than you
my strategies make money full stop.
I have students - do classes and as I said the one difference between me and probably 95% of people on here - when I say something it is actually true.
Also I started with other tools and did the same thing - so yeah - you know stroke your own ego's thinking you know something.
I want to tell you one thing about gambling/life.
Myself I went to Vegas and bet 25,000 a hand at blackjack on one box - and my opinion was that was a fair amount of money - my friend flies in and he bets 50,000 on 6 boxes at a time - then a business relationship flies in on his private plane and bets 250,000 a box... if you cannot understand this type of thing I feel sorry for you.
Like I said many times - no matter who you think you are - there is always someone who knows more than you - or who has more money than you ... but for those who just want to bully people well your time is up.
Also again you took my comments out of context -- I said I saw many examples of people who were given no chance - and I did not stand up for them when perhaps I should have - especially women - because that was the dealing room culture ... this is not present day culture - times have changed -- and myself I am much more present with this thinking.
+ you just do not get it - I never brought up a single thing - that was Shaun trying to big time himself - I asked him politely to just stop -- and after a while he did -- what is the point of these silly posts your making honestly -- just give it a rest and how about posting something people can use.
Cheers
is that really for many of you - you are not prepared to even consider someone knows more than you
my strategies make money full stop.
I have students - do classes and as I said the one difference between me and probably 95% of people on here - when I say something it is actually true.
Also I started with other tools and did the same thing - so yeah - you know stroke your own ego's thinking you know something.
I want to tell you one thing about gambling/life.
Myself I went to Vegas and bet 25,000 a hand at blackjack on one box - and my opinion was that was a fair amount of money - my friend flies in and he bets 50,000 on 6 boxes at a time - then a business relationship flies in on his private plane and bets 250,000 a box... if you cannot understand this type of thing I feel sorry for you.
Like I said many times - no matter who you think you are - there is always someone who knows more than you - or who has more money than you ... but for those who just want to bully people well your time is up.
Also again you took my comments out of context -- I said I saw many examples of people who were given no chance - and I did not stand up for them when perhaps I should have - especially women - because that was the dealing room culture ... this is not present day culture - times have changed -- and myself I am much more present with this thinking.
+ you just do not get it - I never brought up a single thing - that was Shaun trying to big time himself - I asked him politely to just stop -- and after a while he did -- what is the point of these silly posts your making honestly -- just give it a rest and how about posting something people can use.
Cheers
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NotBothered
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Do any of you truly realize how many people are using this software and are completely lost as to how to make money ?
So many people say exactly the same thing - they just cannot find anything that works for them -- but instead of offering help or assistance or a genuine idea - you just dismiss it likes it means nothing.
You should put your effort into where it is needed -- and realize that you are just small fishes in a big pond .. I include myself in that - I may bet bigger than most - but I also am very small in the pool of gamblers.
Like I said I really have had enough - of you guys taking things out of context - and the silly remarks - honestly you should know better.
So many people say exactly the same thing - they just cannot find anything that works for them -- but instead of offering help or assistance or a genuine idea - you just dismiss it likes it means nothing.
You should put your effort into where it is needed -- and realize that you are just small fishes in a big pond .. I include myself in that - I may bet bigger than most - but I also am very small in the pool of gamblers.
Like I said I really have had enough - of you guys taking things out of context - and the silly remarks - honestly you should know better.
THE small Elephant In the room . is the money full stop .
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I know you can't see it NotBothered. But a lot of your posts are generally unhelpful and have rubbed a lot of forum members up the wrong way, so they have returned the favour.
You have a tendency to preach to people, people who have been betting for a living for decades. You also don't appear to be interested in anything that contradicts your view. So that's why you haven't enjoyed your time here.
A lot of posts you have made replicate the sort of stuff that forum members have seen many times over the years. Everybody had different ways of doing things and the ability to see that is an important part of being successful.
Lots of people come on here looking for a quick fix, a system or method that they can implement quickly and profitably. Most members are battle hardened vets that caution newbies about that.
I welcome that attitude, the forum isn't here to sucker into joe punter more to show them the right path and help them get there, on there own terms.
The forum can be a fantastic resource, it just depends how you use it.
You have a tendency to preach to people, people who have been betting for a living for decades. You also don't appear to be interested in anything that contradicts your view. So that's why you haven't enjoyed your time here.
A lot of posts you have made replicate the sort of stuff that forum members have seen many times over the years. Everybody had different ways of doing things and the ability to see that is an important part of being successful.
Lots of people come on here looking for a quick fix, a system or method that they can implement quickly and profitably. Most members are battle hardened vets that caution newbies about that.
I welcome that attitude, the forum isn't here to sucker into joe punter more to show them the right path and help them get there, on there own terms.
The forum can be a fantastic resource, it just depends how you use it.
Well, as far as incentives go, looking for the next batch of students is a pretty good one. At least this would explain why you just want a quiet corner to promote your strategies without the hassle of explaining them, even though at the same you were indeed complaining about the complete lack of interest or attention overall.
Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, although a small initial disclaimer would have been a much better idea, in hindsight. Maybe you're running some sort of a non-profit organization for these students, we don't really know, but whether you accept your payments in dollars or egobux, the argument still remains the same.
I'm sure most people don't necessarily doubt your credentials, whatever they may be, since they're generally willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, and I'm sure they actually agree with most of what you're saying, just not with HOW you're saying it. If that wasn't obvious, an open forum is a place of debate and discussion, of challenging each other's opinion etc, so you'll have to forgive people for pointing out the funny side if you take yourself way too seriously and leave no room for anything else.
A forum is not that much different than a market, the wider off the mark one gets the bigger the correction. This I'm sure you understand OP.
offering someWell said, not sure how I do a clappy emoji?Kai wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 5:28 pm
Well, as far as incentives go, looking for the next batch of students is a pretty good one. At least this would explain why you just want a quiet corner to promote your strategies without the hassle of explaining them, even though at the same you were indeed complaining about the complete lack of interest or attention overall.
Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, although a small initial disclaimer would have been a much better idea, in hindsight. Maybe you're running some sort of a non-profit organization for these students, we don't really know, but whether you accept your payments in dollars or egobux, the argument still remains the same.
I'm sure most people don't necessarily doubt your credentials, whatever they may be, since they're generally willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, and I'm sure they actually agree with most of what you're saying, just not with HOW you're saying it. If that wasn't obvious, an open forum is a place of debate and discussion, of challenging each other's opinion etc, so you'll have to forgive people for pointing out the funny side if you take yourself way too seriously and leave no room for anything else.
A forum is not that much different than a market, the wider off the mark one gets the bigger the correction. This I'm sure you understand OP.
That's the sprit I would like to encourage. Progressive debate. Nobody should be immune no matter how well established they are. Too much debate nowadays isn't respectful and conducted in an echo chamber of opinion. So we should take the opportunity to discus and debate without prejudice.
Of course people are going to disagree, that's how the market works and you a judged on the outcome.
so so happy you guys found a way to beat the house at Vegas, not just once in a single night, but in a serial manner - kudos!!NotBothered wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:28 pm
Myself I went to Vegas and bet 25,000 a hand at blackjack on one box - and my opinion was that was a fair amount of money - my friend flies in and he bets 50,000 on 6 boxes at a time - then a business relationship flies in on his private plane and bets 250,000 a box... if you cannot understand this type of thing I feel sorry for you.
as a rule (99.99% of the time) the casino intel detects and stamps on these behaviours aggressively. not because of client slip-ups, but simply because they have a mix of trained staff (and IT) to stop this very confluence of circumstances evolving into a house breaking scenario.. as i said, well done all involved - in awe - you have my ears!
[edit] - also - love the confidence you showed with your numerous 25k, random (house biased) selections. shows skill, observation and finesse rather than a pant soiling gamble, devoid of analysis, common sense or risk management. in *truth*, on its own your calculations were quite amazing - BUT, coupled with the mind blowing scenario that then unfolded, what can one say.. top flight!! (goes without saying that i'm in total awe of anyone that goes from earning 100k+ a night in Vegas (and has the skill to do so) to pitch down to $50-100 a day on betfair).
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NotBothered
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Euler made a thoughtful post that makes sense
I have said it before - I think of things a certain way because my mind is taught to think that way - it can be hard for people who do not have the same experience to have the same process.
As far as students go - I already had someone PM me here - saying what is said so many times - that they tried everything and just cannot get anything to work .... would I help them.
I just said that I did not really want to do that - because that is not why I came here. (paid student)
I came here to take some of the things provided and counter them with a slightly different approach and get them to 1,000 a day - and then throw in some of my work that I have been doing for years.
Now I may have rubbed some people the wrong way - but look at some of the destructive comments these people are making - rather than sit back and relax - at every turn they are insulting and for some reason think they are gods gift to the forum.
Euler mentioned he liked that sort of thing - no problem - but this pushes posters away from expressing their true opinion - and in my case - I am not going to waste my time putting up with the comments from people who may know their own work -- but I do not see a single thread from any one of them - where they actually try to express an idea and build on it to give some assistance.
Like I said my opinions/process are my own - I do not go into other threads and speak badly about people - or make people feel like they know nothing - or purely offer generic advice that is of no value -- if I have something to add I do - but otherwise say nothing.
Personally my own feeling even though many do not see it - is it is very hostile and non friendly - and if you offer anything away from the ordinary - it feels like you are personally attacked at every corner by people taking comments out of context.
So for me it is just enough - I hope some of the posters reflect upon how they treat new members - you do not have to agree with every single word written in the forum - because it can be the case there are other people who know more than you do.
OK no point going on and on over the same thing - yeah I am just not inclined to write here anymore - that is just my feeling - the forum is just to hostile.
Good luck with your strategies.
I have said it before - I think of things a certain way because my mind is taught to think that way - it can be hard for people who do not have the same experience to have the same process.
As far as students go - I already had someone PM me here - saying what is said so many times - that they tried everything and just cannot get anything to work .... would I help them.
I just said that I did not really want to do that - because that is not why I came here. (paid student)
I came here to take some of the things provided and counter them with a slightly different approach and get them to 1,000 a day - and then throw in some of my work that I have been doing for years.
Now I may have rubbed some people the wrong way - but look at some of the destructive comments these people are making - rather than sit back and relax - at every turn they are insulting and for some reason think they are gods gift to the forum.
Euler mentioned he liked that sort of thing - no problem - but this pushes posters away from expressing their true opinion - and in my case - I am not going to waste my time putting up with the comments from people who may know their own work -- but I do not see a single thread from any one of them - where they actually try to express an idea and build on it to give some assistance.
Like I said my opinions/process are my own - I do not go into other threads and speak badly about people - or make people feel like they know nothing - or purely offer generic advice that is of no value -- if I have something to add I do - but otherwise say nothing.
Personally my own feeling even though many do not see it - is it is very hostile and non friendly - and if you offer anything away from the ordinary - it feels like you are personally attacked at every corner by people taking comments out of context.
So for me it is just enough - I hope some of the posters reflect upon how they treat new members - you do not have to agree with every single word written in the forum - because it can be the case there are other people who know more than you do.
OK no point going on and on over the same thing - yeah I am just not inclined to write here anymore - that is just my feeling - the forum is just to hostile.
Good luck with your strategies.
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NotBothered
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just one more thing: I just want to look at what I did here :
Joined forum
read through the threads - found some templates that people said do not work for them - they are losing money with them - cannot get it to work
So I took those - made some modifications - hooked into my database and updated the conditions and filters
Got dog dutching to $500 - got horse dutching to $500 a day - $1000 a day total in about 8 days
then I suggested people download the form template - because I already modified that -- to get a head start on the next one -- and then all of this negativity starting coming up left right and center.
So yeah from my perspective it is simply not worth it to even participate -- I will let these older posters write their own ideas for people to have some sort of chance.
Ok cheers.
Joined forum
read through the threads - found some templates that people said do not work for them - they are losing money with them - cannot get it to work
So I took those - made some modifications - hooked into my database and updated the conditions and filters
Got dog dutching to $500 - got horse dutching to $500 a day - $1000 a day total in about 8 days
then I suggested people download the form template - because I already modified that -- to get a head start on the next one -- and then all of this negativity starting coming up left right and center.
So yeah from my perspective it is simply not worth it to even participate -- I will let these older posters write their own ideas for people to have some sort of chance.
Ok cheers.