Qatar 🇶🇦 World 🌍 Cup 2022

[Derek27]

Reporters keep asking Qatar officials or politicians if gay men or women can hold hands in public. The question they should be asking is can they shag in their hotel room.

I think people are going to be in for a big shock, holding hands, shagging or any other sexual activity between same sexes is prohibited by law. You could end up with lots of people behind bars during and after the WC.

It’s actually punishable by stoning to death in public!!!!

They can't really apply the full extent of the law to tourists. They won't want the controversy to overshadow the games.

[Archery1969]

Reporters keep asking Qatar officials or politicians if gay men or women can hold hands in public. The question they should be asking is can they shag in their hotel room.

I think people are going to be in for a big shock, holding hands, shagging or any other sexual activity between same sexes is prohibited by law. You could end up with lots of people behind bars during and after the WC.

It’s actually punishable by stoning to death in public!!!!

They can't really apply the full extent of the law to tourists. They won't want the controversy to overshadow the games.

Qatari authorities have failed to give a guarantee to travelling LGBTQ+ supporters that they will be safe at the World Cup, prompting leading organisations to advocate against travel to the tournament.

[Crazyskier]

I trust we'll all boycott trading the WC on moral grounds.

Actually Derek, just because the liberal West has legalised sodomy in recent decades, this doesn't mean it's not still sinful or as many view it, an actual crime against nature.

Most people I know quietly applaud the Arab and Commonwealth nations for their continued good standards of decency and adhesion to traditional values and the nuclear family.

Only astounding arrogance makes the British minority rights brigade think that they can dictate laws to an independent foreign power.

- My 'tuppence worth.

CS

Why do they "quietly" applaud? Why not sing it from the rooftops? The simple reason is they are ashamed of themselves and know they will be outcasts, won't get a job, be allowed to enter a pub or be included in society.

Religion is your personal belief, you cannot impose it on others.

Indeed. No one is disputing that, Derek. But the point here is that a sovereign nation should be free to decide it's own laws and policies, irrespective whether we in the West individually agree or disagree with them. Those not wishing to adhere to said laws and policies should simply stay away.

CS

[Crazyskier]

I trust we'll all boycott trading the WC on moral grounds.

Actually Derek, just because the liberal West has legalised sodomy in recent decades, this doesn't mean it's not still sinful or as many view it, an actual crime against nature.

Most people I know quietly applaud the Arab and Commonwealth nations for their continued good standards of decency and adhesion to traditional values and the nuclear family.

Only astounding arrogance makes the British minority rights brigade think that they can dictate laws to an independent foreign power.

- My 'tuppence worth.

CS

It's you that has the minority view.

Well thanks for your opinion, Greenmark, but you are simply wrong on this one.

Well over half of the global population follow one of the Abrahamic faiths (Christians, Muslims and Jews) that teach us sodomy is both sinful and unnatural. The anus is not a sexual organ! In addition, even most people of little or no faith still agree that a natural sexual union is with a penis and vagina between a male and female - it is after all, how mammals reproduce...

CS

[greenmark]

Actually Derek, just because the liberal West has legalised sodomy in recent decades, this doesn't mean it's not still sinful or as many view it, an actual crime against nature.

Most people I know quietly applaud the Arab and Commonwealth nations for their continued good standards of decency and adhesion to traditional values and the nuclear family.

Only astounding arrogance makes the British minority rights brigade think that they can dictate laws to an independent foreign power.

- My 'tuppence worth.

CS

It's you that has the minority view.

Well thanks for your opinion, Greenmark, but you are simply wrong on this one.

Well over half of the global population follow one of the Abrahamic faiths (Christians, Muslims and Jews) that teach us sodomy is both sinful and unnatural. The anus is not a sexual organ! In addition, even most people of little or no faith still agree that a natural sexual union is with a penis and vagina between a male and female - it is after all, how mammals reproduce...

CS

OK. Bizarre that you think what you should do with your body should be dictated by ancient texts and someone "apparently" appointed by God (an unproven being).
Thats your choice and I know from your previous posts you are unshakeable in your beliefs.
I respect that, but I also have beliefs that you feel comfortable in dismissing out of hand.
That is the only truth here.
As I've said I have friends, relatives that are gay and I would defy you to meet them and describe them as sinners or criminals. And it infuriates me that you feel empowered to describe them as such.

[Kai]

The anus is not a sexual organ! In addition, even most people of little or no faith still agree that a natural sexual union is with a penis and vagina between a male and female - it is after all, how mammals reproduce...

[Crazyskier]

It's you that has the minority view.

Well thanks for your opinion, Greenmark, but you are simply wrong on this one.

Well over half of the global population follow one of the Abrahamic faiths (Christians, Muslims and Jews) that teach us sodomy is both sinful and unnatural. The anus is not a sexual organ! In addition, even most people of little or no faith still agree that a natural sexual union is with a penis and vagina between a male and female - it is after all, how mammals reproduce...

CS

OK. Bizarre that you think what you should do with your body should be dictated by ancient texts and someone "apparently" appointed by God (an unproven being).
Thats your choice and I know from your previous posts you are unshakeable in your beliefs.
I respect that, but I also have beliefs that you feel comfortable in dismissing out of hand.
That is the only truth here.
As I've said I have friends, relatives that are gay and I would defy you to meet them and describe them as sinners or criminals. And it infuriates me that you feel empowered to describe them as such.

To be clear, the ''act'' has been legalised here in the UK since the 60s, so I wouldn't describe them as criminals; the thread is about the WC in Qatar - one of the aforementioned Abrahamic countries where they may indeed be described as such.

Secondly Greenmark, I also happen to have homosexual friends, colleagues and even a relative, and I'm all for live and let live if the law of the land permits it, but that's simply not the case in many other nations. I'm suggesting (as James Cleverly MP did) that people should be respectful of the laws when visiting overseas, just as we expect visitors here to. There's surely nothing radical or judgemental in that is there?

It strikes me that there's an irony of some UK minority groups demanding respect for their new rights under the law, yet wishing to protest against and potentially break the centuries-old laws when visiting Qatar! Surely you can see the irony and double-standards at play here?

CS

[greenmark]

Well thanks for your opinion, Greenmark, but you are simply wrong on this one.

Well over half of the global population follow one of the Abrahamic faiths (Christians, Muslims and Jews) that teach us sodomy is both sinful and unnatural. The anus is not a sexual organ! In addition, even most people of little or no faith still agree that a natural sexual union is with a penis and vagina between a male and female - it is after all, how mammals reproduce...

CS

OK. Bizarre that you think what you should do with your body should be dictated by ancient texts and someone "apparently" appointed by God (an unproven being).
Thats your choice and I know from your previous posts you are unshakeable in your beliefs.
I respect that, but I also have beliefs that you feel comfortable in dismissing out of hand.
That is the only truth here.
As I've said I have friends, relatives that are gay and I would defy you to meet them and describe them as sinners or criminals. And it infuriates me that you feel empowered to describe them as such.

To be clear, the ''act'' has been legalised here in the UK since the 60s, so I wouldn't describe them as criminals; the thread is about the WC in Qatar - one of the aforementioned Abrahamic countries where they may indeed be described as such.

Secondly Greenmark, I also happen to have homosexual friends, colleagues and even a relative, and I'm all for live and let live if the law of the land permits it, but that's simply not the case in many other nations. I'm suggesting (as James Cleverly MP did) that people should be respectful of the laws when visiting overseas, just as we expect visitors here to. There's surely nothing radical or judgemental in that is there?

It strikes me that there's an irony of some UK minority groups demanding respect for their new rights under the law, yet wishing to protest against and potentially break the centuries-old laws when visiting Qatar! Surely you can see the irony and double-standards at play here?

CS

To have gay friends and fall back on "Sovereignty" to back up Qatar's laws doesn't really work for me.
It's just a concept that I would be incapable of defending in front of my gay relatives and friends.
I suggest you trial that idea with your gay contacts and get back to us.

[The Silk Run]

The Qataris and the Qatar Royal Family have a shameful footprint here in the capital, London. Mayfair now aptly named the Qatari Quarter after buying up nearly all real estate. They demand the highest quality drugs, and prostitutes, and race expensive cars with Qatar licenced number plates around W1 with impunity !!!

[Archangel]

I often wonder why the citizens of the Gulf states put up with these ruling classes who enfore strict religious laws and use the countries wealth as if its their own personal fortune. Its like they are 100 years or more behind the rest of the world in their political and religious evolution.

[The Silk Run]

I concur. It's the sheer poverty that people have to put up with that upsets me the most. The Oil and Gas ritch nations have a lot to answer for. And Qatar is up their ...
JSO and ER should switch tactics and focus on these states in-country UK, rather than pissing off locals trying to earn a honest living in very, very difficult times ....

[Archery1969]

What a thread.

People, every country has different laws and views on a number of topics. While people may want a liberal world, it’s never going to happen before the world ends.

If you feel strongly about Qatar, then don’t visit, watch the TV or trade the football. If you do then your kind of being a hypocrite are you not ?

- if you visit, your adding to their economy in some way.
- if you watch on TV then your adding to the world viewing figures.
- if you trade the games then your making money.

If you feel that strongly about it then go glue yourself to the railings outside the Qatar embassy in London plus go on hunger strike until they change their laws. I suspect one way or another your be dead sooner than a law change.

Every country has things it should be ashamed of, here in the UK we have 2,460 people locked up who have broken no laws. There only crime was/is being autistic. More than 70 of them have spent most of their life locked up.

But it’s football, which is more important than life itself, so I for one will be watching the games on TV.

Peace.

[Kai]

Its like they are 100 years or more behind the rest of the world in their political and religious evolution.

They are, by many metrics. And they know it too, or they wouldn't engage in sportswashing on a global scale.

Striking oil is not enough of a reason to garner respect.

[The Silk Run]

Its like they are 100 years or more behind the rest of the world in their political and religious evolution.

They are, by many metrics. And they know it too, or they wouldn't engage in sportswashing on a global scale.

Striking oil is not enough of a reason to garner respect.

That translates to Bedouin !!!

[Archery1969]

Qatar World Cup ambassador calling homosexuality "damage in the mind" is "harmful and unacceptable", says Human Rights Watch.

Former Qatar international Khalid Salman told German broadcaster ZDF that LGBTQ+ people attending the tournament should "accept our rules".

Homosexuality is illegal in Qatar because it is considered immoral under Islamic Sharia law.